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    Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 10:01pm
Steve Cockerill has nearly as many decades of conventional sheet to unlearn as I do.
And he has a better standard to unlearn of course....
He's still actively sailing other boats too.
The 800 has a boom made of heavy ali, designed for centre main. That may not be the case with other boats. Wasn't the twin tiller option also linked with single trap?
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Originally posted by Dave.B

Having no deck cleat allows the extension to pass forward and also allows hand over hand sheeting in front of you, rather than holding the main in your front hand and the extension in the other up by your ear.  

This works for you because the tiller extension is short enough to not foul the trapeze wire when you are fully extended.  Look at the RS800 video above and you will see the tiller extension cannot be brought forward of the trapeze wire and then the forward hand cannot  - easily - do the hand over hand sheeting.

If you bend your knees, moving in, then you'll end up with the tiller extension behind the trapeze wire (and up by your ear) and the sheet in front, making the hand over hand thing difficult.

Great photo and looking good!


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To be fair to Steve I think this was an early sail with the off boom. And he hadn't yet learnt the trick to pass the sheet around the trap handle like he talks about in a later video... 

Seems like you can take an extension through in front on a 3.7, which I think is the biggest factor in making it work. Meaning you can hand over hand sheet which changes everything (still think it would be difficult to hold sheet tension going in to tack). 

The 800 boom being alloy doesn't make any difference. It's not really designed for centre main or aft or anything, it's just an alloy tube.  
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Originally posted by eric_c

Maybe the mainsheet could run forward along the boom, even right to the gooseneck, then back to a cleat.Maybe via a second block at the base of the mast. Some yachts do that, often double-sided with a winch either side.

That sounds a neat solution, deck cleat for holding tension in to tack, but no sheet running through middle of the boat so you can tack with the extension going forward and hand over hand sheet.
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I can't remember how the MPS is set up, that being the only single hand trapeze boat I've ever sailed and I was still learning the delicate art back then so it probably had a cleat. I recall the technique was to chuck the sheet into the centre of the boat as you came off the wire, then pick it up with the new hand as you went through, that suggests some form of deck mounted device and if you want a kite you will need to cleat off the main, not something I've had much experience of, of late, I don't have any cleats on either of my current boats, but they are both sheeted off the deck and I tend to favour rear sheeting off a bridle it overcomes my shortcomings with that kicker thing. The original Punk set up I felt was a work of art, but then not a trap boat. What might be needed is some sort of off boom set up that can be cleated at the boom, never seen anything like that, anyone know if such a device exists?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 11:38pm
I remember seeing swivel cleats designed to fit on the boom 'some decades ago' in a catalogue.
Not a UK thing?
I do quite like the idea of freeing up the cockpit space, OTOH, a merlin-sytle hoop does delineate the helm space from the crew space, a bit like the dog-guard in an estate car...
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Originally posted by iGRF

I can't remember how the MPS is set up, that being the only single hand trapeze boat I've ever sailed and I was still learning the delicate art back then so it probably had a cleat. I recall the technique was to chuck the sheet into the centre of the boat as you came off the wire, then pick it up with the new hand as you went through, that suggests some form of deck mounted device and if you want a kite you will need to cleat off the main, not something I've had much experience of, of late, I don't have any cleats on either of my current boats, but they are both sheeted off the deck and I tend to favour rear sheeting off a bridle it overcomes my shortcomings with that kicker thing. The original Punk set up I felt was a work of art, but then not a trap boat. What might be needed is some sort of off boom set up that can be cleated at the boom, never seen anything like that, anyone know if such a device exists?


You have - you are forgetting the RS100 prototype with the flip-flop boom sheeting.

MPS doesn’t have any of them mainsheet or bridle at the transom, you swing the extension around the back.
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If you are going to have a spinny on the boat, won't some form of cleat for the main be essential? I've only seen single handers with spinnys having a cleat at deck level. Wouldn't it be too much to have to control the main and spinny sheets at the same time?
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Some Swift solos use flip flops off the boom iirc



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Post Options Post Options   Quote boatshed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 18 at 10:03am
Originally posted by turnturtle

Some Swift solos use flip flops off the boom iirc


It's one thing smacking your head on a relatively round and smooth boom but getting nutted by that fitting will really hurt, 'specially after spending $305 on it.


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