Hiking or Wiring

   Yeah, well they're both not technically 1:1 because you're lifting your own weight... unless those lazy helms are getting the crew to adjust their trapeze height   
Those cobra cleats look cool. The pro looks to be that the distance between hoop and handle stays the same. However... doesn't that mean that the handle moves up and down quite a bit? I like the handle to be in the same place (or pretty similar) as I reach for it. 

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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Topic: Hiking or Wiring Posted: 09 Feb 18 at 8:49pm
	Yeah, well they're both not technically 1:1 because you're lifting your own weight... unless those lazy helms are getting the crew to adjust their trapeze height Those cobra cleats look cool. The pro looks to be that the distance between hoop and handle stays the same. However... doesn't that mean that the handle moves up and down quite a bit? I like the handle to be in the same place (or pretty similar) as I reach for it.

Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 09 Feb 18 at 10:16pm
	They're not 1:1 because the block on the cleat stays put and the rope you pull is carrying your weight (until you cleat it) halving the effort needed to lift your bodyweight. I remember, when I was a scout, standing in a bowline loop on one end of a rope run over a pulley in the ceiling and, on pulling the fall my foot left the floor (and, I fear at this point I may have lost my presence of mind), I immediately inverted and crashed down head first......... It always reminds me of Gerrard Hoffning's "Bricklayer's Story" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOy2GuaP8Mo Edited by Sam.Spoons - 09 Feb 18 at 10:17pm
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Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 9:49am
	But, the system is 1:1. You pull an inch of rope through the block, and the hoop raises an inch. I understand extra purchase comes from lifting yourself. But that purchase is fractional, depending on how in line you're pulling, which certainly isn't a full purchase when high wiring. Anyway... I've taken a purchase out of the adjuster system and will see how I get on this weekend

E.J. Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 19 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 184	Post Options Post Reply Quote E.J. Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 10 Feb 18 at 9:56am
	You will have bigger guns after, it is more difficult to fine adjust to perfect height but the pro is the immediate change in height.

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 11:59am
	Got to use the 1:1 adjusters yesterday. Big +ve was not having 2m of tail flailing around when high wiring. Was also nice being able move further in one adjustment. You could get to where you wanted to be quicker. The lack or purchase didn't really feel hard whilst adjusting, but what was difficult was getting the rope out of the cleat. Nothing too awful when medium to low wiring, but when high wiring it's kind of an odd angle to get the required tug to release from the cleat. Not really a game changer, but decent upgrade on the whole. Think I'll keep them for now. The shock sailing trapeze discs were fantastic too. So much more comfortable than previous handles. Edited by mozzy - 19 Feb 18 at 2:01pm

E.J. Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Posting king Joined: 19 Feb 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 184	Post Options Post Reply Quote E.J. Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 4:57pm
	I experienced the release issue also, I found having the thickest rope possible helps. Are you using standard cleats?

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 5:07pm
	Standard clamcleats. Think rope is 5 or 6mm pre-stretched polyester stuff that came on the boat.

Do Different Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312	Post Options Post Reply Quote Do Different Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 5:07pm
	Is there any variation of cam cleat which could serve?

Guests Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Guest Group	Post Options Post Reply Quote Guests Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 5:31pm
	Possibly. May be a little bulky but would certainly un-cleat easier. Class rules aren't the most clear, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to put different types of blocks on. Block's with cam cleats are quite expensive, especially if I'm told to take it off at the first event!

Sam.Spoons Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 12 Location: Manchester UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 3401	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sam.Spoons Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 19 Feb 18 at 5:33pm
	Any cleat needs the rope pulling to release but a cam only requires the load to be removed, Clamcleats also need a few mm of movement too so if cam cleats could be used they should release more easily. But I'm not aware of any that are designed for the purpose and the form factor is not ideal. Somebody did make a single sided deck mounting cam cleat (often used for sym kite guys I believe) but the only pic I can find is this :- http://www.mackayboats.com/mackayboats/assets/Image/int470/orderform/PoleDown_CamCleat.jpg Edited by Sam.Spoons - 19 Feb 18 at 5:34pm
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