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    Posted: 08 Oct 17 at 2:06pm
Ultimately ones that would not only drive the dinghy to the open but also unrig and rerig the dinghy all ready for racing! Fat chance!
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.......anyway, battery tech is not good enough yet. Elec to drive the vehicle, run servos and sensors, run the computer, lights, wipers, heaters......and entertainment system for the bored occupants = probably about 100 miles before a recharge/fresh battery or 10 miles if towing a 2K.

still Sci-Fi until that major battery tech breakthrough. 



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"I think you'll find that even back in the black and white days TM covered jet packs and helicopters for personal transport. Little sign of this happening in foreseeable future IMO.   "

Quite so, my slightly obtuse point. Beer 
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423zero-thats exactly my point. When the autonomous car turns up and it's not big enough for the Solo mainsail (and lets face it, by that time we'll all be old enough for Solos) then sailing denied. And I think you need to be more specific about "take me down the club"
Might accidentally be Spearmint Rhino, or worse, the golf club ;-)



Sailing Club's will need to adapt and provide safe and suitable on site storage for sails.

Our Club has offered this facility to those who want it for many years. Works really well.
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They'll probably also need to provide charging facilities
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I did hear recently that unless the grid was upgraded users may find that they cannot use a fast car charger and the kettle at the same time http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/21/dont-boil-kettle-charging-electric-car-will-blow-fuse-national/
 


I think you'll find that it complete BS from climate change denying dinosaurs.
From > 2:00 unless you want to know about more Daily Mail BS anti electric stories about kettles.


Thanks for the accusatory tone there. The story linked was from the Telegraph (not the Daily Mail)was repeated by the BBC (who presumably get branded as climate denyers as well as lefties, by right wingers, right wing by lefties and up here anti-indy but they cant all be true).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41011008

Whether it is BS or not I wouldn't know but would have to ask an electrical engineer to see if the numbers are reasonable. Certainly I wouldn't expect they would have ever expected these high energy loads being put on a domestic supply

I'm staggered how you manage to get 'accusatory tone' out of that. Given that this is a typed format, but hey each to there own.  (Edit: did you actually watch the video?)


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I'm not on here to get into personal bashing as others on here do at times, but opening a statement with 'I'll think you find it complete BS'
is never going to be seen as that friendly especially as you don't back it up with anything solid other than a YouTube clip. The video doesn't show up on my ancient browser at work (very conservative IT dept) so without knowing it was there all I saw was the text which didn't read well to me. Incidently - As of tonight I still haven't seen it as the video wont play so still no idea what it is.
Perhaps we all need to remember that sometimes what we write isn't always what others read.
I have no idea if the story is valid or not, but the BBC are a fairly reliable news source and if you're an electrical engineer or somebody else qualified to challenge the story (I'm certainly not qualified) please do put me right with some realistic numbers


Edit - ok I've seen the video now and I can't see why you're describing the news stories as BS. The story was that if you fit an fast 11kW charger to charge your 95kWh (roughly equiv to 300mi it says) car in less than 9hours then any additional load in the house would blow the fuse and the video agrees with that. If you want to use a slower 7kW charger there isn't an issue with the house electrics but it will take you 13.5hrs to get your full charge
From what I can see both the news stories and the video highlight the bits of the report they want to but the fundamentals seem the same. The other consideration will likely be the effect in the grid supply. We all know the grid has to kick in fast response power stations like the pumped storage in Ben Cruachan when the kettles go on after Eastenders finishes 'cos the big nuclear and gas power stations need to keep a fairly constant output, so will we see a mass switching on electric cars at 6pm and s huge demand for power all night now instead?


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A battery can be trickle charged from a low power solar panel, or tiny mobile type charger, only voltage needs to be correct, incorrect voltage will damage battery.
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This thread has made me look at the possibility of an electric car but the only one with a reasonable range and (from what I've seen) fast charging points on motorways are the Teslas but jeepers are they pricey - even to lease and I cant see them being an option for many years when my average journey to open events is >400miles. Even then once you got there where would you charge it back up to get home again? Not even Premier Inn etc are doing that yet.

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https://uk.yahoo.com/finance/news/shell-petrol-stations-charge-electric-114358681.html
looks promising
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