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    Posted: 05 Oct 17 at 9:22pm
I did hear recently that unless the grid was upgraded users may find that they cannot use a fast car charger and the kettle at the same time http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/21/dont-boil-kettle-charging-electric-car-will-blow-fuse-national/
 


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I don't think you will be able to charge car at home if electric cars become the norm, I believe battery exchange at a way station will be way forward, government can put their VIG on, rather than having complicated metering at home. 
You can bet plug will be something secure to stop you charging at home, would be like 'red diesel' using domestic electricity for automotive use  Angry
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We cant even get mobile phone chargers to be the same across brands so we've almost no chance of having interchangeable battery packs across car manufacturers IMO and the chance of any international standard being developed and made common before technology moves on may be slight as well - we cant even do main's plugs the same!

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I think there are bigger threats to transporting our boats around than just the challenges of towing with an electric car.  The combination of electric car charging infrastructure, with autonomous vehicles and the overall drive down on pollution and carbons may lead to a complete change in vehicle ownership/automobile industry models.  It seems weird and perhaps unlikely, and the last time we saw any such a disruptive technology (horse transport to the car - ownership a one to one swap) it didn't pan out this way but there weren't massive infrastructure costs associated with that change (in fact there were reductions - no need to rid cities of tonnes of manure (50000 horses in London producing 15-35lbs each per day.  2.5Mlbs per day in New York).  If the driving experience is gone why do you need to own a car.  And the implications of that are staggering.  An OECD Study of Montreal and Lisbon reckoned that the size of vehicle fleet would be reduced by 90% and 60% respectively if all cars were autonomous and 'shared'.  Mobility becomes a service in this model.  If that happened it would be a serious threat to the tracelling aspect of our sport, and a few more besides.  On the upside no caravans either.
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Oh yes and there is a pretty clear view in parts of the industry that the near concurrent policy announcement by a number of governments about electric only by 2040 merely reflected the level of confidence that market forces will drive all electrics well before then anyway....
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KazRob,
Thought UN had mandated all chargers had to have same jack ?
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Originally posted by KazRob

I did hear recently that unless the grid was upgraded users may find that they cannot use a fast car charger and the kettle at the same time http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/21/dont-boil-kettle-charging-electric-car-will-blow-fuse-national/
 

I think you'll find that it complete BS from climate change denying dinosaurs.

From > 2:00 unless you want to know about more Daily Mail BS anti electric stories about kettles.


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Whoa there buddy "everyone will have a 7kw charger" !  We live very remote in the north of England without a mains supply and manage a perfectly civilised life running our house off a 3kw inverter, 7kw sounds pretty greedy to me.   
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Originally posted by 423zero

KazRob,
Thought UN had mandated all chargers had to have same jack ?

Well my Iphone charger is different from other's phone chargers so that's not happened has it. Would it have been the EU and not the UN by any chance
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Originally posted by KazRob


I did hear recently that unless the grid was upgraded users may find that they cannot use a fast car charger and the kettle at the same time http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/21/dont-boil-kettle-charging-electric-car-will-blow-fuse-national/
 


I think you'll find that it complete BS from climate change denying dinosaurs.
From > 2:00 unless you want to know about more Daily Mail BS anti electric stories about kettles.


Thanks for the accusatory tone there. The story linked was from the Telegraph (not the Daily Mail)was repeated by the BBC (who presumably get branded as climate denyers as well as lefties, by right wingers, right wing by lefties and up here anti-indy but they cant all be true).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41011008

Whether it is BS or not I wouldn't know but would have to ask an electrical engineer to see if the numbers are reasonable. Certainly I wouldn't expect they would have ever expected these high energy loads being put on a domestic supply
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