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    Posted: 28 Jun 17 at 1:54pm
Originally posted by maxibuddah

These days people are more interested in their wallets than their neighbours.

probably because the baby boomers priced them out of the housing market and let them inherit a level of national debt greater than the GDP of a modest nation.....   and of course people are interested in their neighbours, gentrification keeps the gravy train running for another generation.  LOL
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FWIW, I don't buy that society is more selfish... it's just that priorities have shifted.  At the end of the day, there's only so much volunteering time we can expect the average person to contribute to the world around them.  

It's far LESS selfish to spend time (and money) supporting charities, raising funds for schools etc than sodding off down the sailing club all day to sit in a committee boat on average points while 'er indoors gets the chicken dinner on and deals with the brats you spawned so nonchalantly.


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I suppose being modern men uses up spare time too, years ago men didn't have to consider their wives so much, never went to birth of their kids etc, slightly comic I know, but probably quite accurate.
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often referred to as the 'pussification of men'..... and I first heard that among a bunch of mates who played cricket together when they were younger, and according to some work colleagues, golf has the same issues competing against cycling.   

On the positive side, at least most of us aren't grappling with religious obligations most Sundays anymore.... so there is hope for a glorious return to weekend sailing once the nest has emptied.


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For some sailing is akin to a religious obligation!
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Originally posted by The Moo

For some sailing is akin to a religious obligation!

Well it certainly has funny nomenclature, weird rituals, observable casual misogyny and its fair share of sectarianism.  
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Originally posted by turnturtle

This is probably not what people want to read, but personally I think this is all symptomatic of there being far too many sailing clubs offering the same damn thing.... processional handicap racing.  

Back in the day we used to change clubs if we fancied a change in class- this at least gave points of difference between local clubs and provided a decent quality of racing in largely suitable boats for any given water. 

 You could then all come together for annual regattas where handicap racing served a wonderful purpose of uniting the clans and throwing a good craic on the water and off it.  

There simply isn't the critical mass left to justify the vast number of sailing clubs imho....  I think we will see consolidation when the baby boomers hang up their hikers and their simply isn't the voluntary resource to keep clubs sustainable.  

What would be better for the sport would be a managed process rather than decimation by a thousand cuts.  In fact with a programme of closures and mergers, dinghy sailing might actually reverse the effective churn we are likely to see.  This is especially likely if those clubs that are left, don't offer a quality of racing acceptable to the new generation coming through.  Today's joe average has experienced wonderful racing in the youth and university scenes, even if they never got out the bottom third of the fleet- if local racing wants to compete for their attention, then frankly it needs to up its game somewhat from what a lot clubs seems to offer.

I can see the ex-squaddies point of view. I moved to an area where there are two clubs and both of them just offer handicap racing. After a lifetime of class racing, it quickly got to the point where I no longer race on weekends in my home city. I'm shifting to the other club next year and having another got at getting class racing happening. If that doesn't succeed that's it for me; it'll just be training and regattas.

The odd thing is that I'm currently keen as mustard about racing at our other club down on the coast, in a very mixed fleet of yachts and sportsboats. It may be a cultural thing; in yachts we are so used to mixed fleet racing that we accept that some days we'll have no chance, but in small stuff we are used to having a fair race each week.

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Originally posted by turnturtle

 

It's far LESS selfish to spend time (and money) supporting charities, raising funds for schools etc than sodding off down the sailing club all day to sit in a committee boat on average points while 'er indoors gets the chicken dinner on and deals with the brats you spawned so nonchalantly.
+1. My parents were both teachers. It was accepted in the day that when they got home, mum would start cooking and caring for the kids (which she hated) and dad would go down and build a high performance boat in the garage. And on weekends, he'd go off to the club, race and drink while she wiped runny noses all day. 

It's a good thing we don't allow that any more; we've just got to adapt and the "leaders" of the sport are going at high speed in the wrong direction.
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It is nonsense to get into the train of thought that a plan or strategy from a governing or regulating body is bad. Banks, supermarkets, power suppliers, football, McDonald franchises etc are all markets that are that subject to policies aimed at stabilising and incentivising the market. Totally unregulated free markets with no intervention at all from laissez-faire governing bodies has been shown numerous times to fail.   Our governing body (RYA) should not be afraid of intervening in the clubs and classes market where such intervention would be beneficial. If that means encouraging some clubs to merge, or sanctioning events of certain status, or refusing entry to sailors whose home clubs have identified them as not helping to put rescue boats away, so be it.

But for a club motto "If you want your arse wiping you'll have to pay for it".
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"If you want your arse wiping you'll have to pay for it"

Surely that should be:
"If you want your arse wiping you'll have to take your turn at doing it"?
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