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    Posted: 04 Jun 17 at 11:25am
No boatspeed makes anyone look like an idiot tactically...

My understanding is that the nose down trim makes for lower aerodynamic drag.
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They do appear to be a newly put together crew.
I find that nose down stance annoying, bigger foils might create more drag, how much time is lost due to Hull dipping.
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My take on that last race.
Looked like BAR made classic mistakes against USA in the last race.
They were gaining on USA but losing it again.
Despite getting most of the wind shifts right they overstood the lay lines.
Also best to win the start if you want to win.
Also they could have aimed more downwind like USA to help save a gybe perhaps?
Their tacks did not look as good as USA, have they still got damage?
USA got the tactics and strategy right.
Had BAR won the start they would probably have won the race despite everything else.
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I realise that the rules are what they are, but I reckon it'd be a big benefit to have a powerful enough grinding crew (or more efficient hydraulics) so that the tactician doesn't have to spent most of his time staring into the bilges...?!!  (Though if you've just been roughed up by Dean Barker then that's not an entirely bad idea  Ouch)
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I suspect NZ are concentrating on power to weight ratio for crew.
Maybe lighter crew but powerful? Any info?
But light wind sailing takes extreme light wind skills from the helm.
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Originally posted by Noah

That thought did occur to me, then I recalled he won the ACWS while driving so I think and hope he's in the right spot. They seem to have difficulty setting the boat up for differing wind strengths. Fortunately, tonight, FRA were worse, but NZL took BAR apart.

It was just in looking at the crew histories on the various teams many (maybe half?) have several with skiff/cat/extreme experience. But for sure he's been sailing the foiling AC's for years, so that's probably not a/the main problem. I guess I just see his real excellence being in determination/motivation/management/preparation, and especially, in tactics - so I was just pondering whether, relatively speaking, he's a bit 'wasted' on the helm. 

(Can't see anyone beating NZL to be Challenger - so far they are just a level of performance and consistency above all but maybe Oracle). 
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Too deep for me jimc.
Presumably damage from collision with Japanese boat?
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

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'twill soon be toast...

Edited by JimC - 02 Jun 17 at 8:18pm
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Originally posted by JimC


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Quote from Ben

“We had a systems failure and lost control of the foils, but for sure they would have found a way past anyway.”
Read more at http://www.yachtingworld.com/americas-cup/land-rover-bar-has-precarious-win-as-americas-cup-teams-sail-at-four-times-wind-speed-107849#c6Wr1kicVz3qB31d.99

BAR need to dominate all wind speeds if they want to win.
NZ were going wind speed X 4.
I would like to see BAR do that.
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