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blueboy 
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 Topic: Future of Sailing Clubs...Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 6:49am |
Is that so? Apparently the many 100s who cycle past my door every weekend haven't got the memo. |
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blueboy
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 7:04am |
We are not "entitled". We have to make a case. And why not. If Community Sports funding is available, someone is going to apply and someone is going to get it. Why not sailing? Since most of this money ultimately comes from the Lottery and Lottery sales are in decline, the party may be over anyway. |
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Paramedic
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 8:10am |
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I think the fact that clubs have to put bids in for training equipment only serves to highlight that for the vast majority of sailing clubs training is not viable as a source of income. It generally doesn't seem to be viable as a source of members either which is even more worrying since clubs use hours and hours of members time on it.
All training really does is allow you to tick a box to justify the club's existence and to enable you to apply for money that if you didn't bother with training you probably wouldn't need! (Obviously boats are just one potential use, but you get my meaning). It seems to me that inland racing clubs used to do better for members in the "bad old days" when you used to turn up on a Saturday with your old trainers and a jumper hoping that Bill's crew had let him down again so you could get out in club racing. Why did this work better? Because you were actively involved in what the club did. You got taken to the bar where the race was rerun over a beer and learned how to sail on drip feed. Eventually you'd find out that Bill's actually crap but Doug needs a crew for the next three Sundays so that would sort that out. You might buy the scabby Laser down the beach that noones touched for five years to save you from Bill but he's now got someone else going through the initiation process so to guarantee a sail you'll have to learn to helm................... And that is where the course should kick in. I think that a lot of smaller inland clubs need reminding about why their members joined in the first place. Speech over :)
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 8:49am |
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You don't need a course to learn to helm, those of us who learned in the '60s didn't go on a course we were told the basics and then shoved off in a Oppi or something. My son learned in the '90s by the same method (in an Ent with a Firefly mainsail). The best way IMHO, one of the big attractions of sailing, especially a youngster, is the 'freedom' aspect, not best illustrated by being shouted at by an instructor.
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transient
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 10:02am |
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Sailing needs to appeal to the modern generations...........So what are these people like? Why are they different from us baby boomers?
They have a different outlook on life. How can the institution of sailing fit in with their needs? Doing more of the "same old same old" and doing it better ain't going to work IMO. |
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PeterG
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 10:06am |
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I've been involved in a bit of instructing for RYA courses, and I can assure you that shouting at participants is not the approved, or generally applied approach.
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Peter
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 11:03am |
Yeah, maybe a poor choice of words on my part (I qualified as a RYA Windsurfing instructor many years ago and also taught driving for 30 years before I retired in 2015). What I really mean is that while rigidly structured training schemes might be the most efficient means of producing competent sailors it's hard to convey the sheer joy of simply messing around in boats within those constraints.
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Eisvogel
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 11:10am |
Yes, the courses are too short (they have to be, otherwise people wouldn't be able to join them given pressures on their time). So we need to provide opportunities outside/parallel to the courses. In the course they learn how to competently handle a boat, and in social sailing sessions (non-competitive) they can practice messing around. But you need volunteers for safety cover etc, so this is something the clubs need to organise, and it can't just be offloaded to the instructors. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 11:27am |
I think we need to await the digital detox economy to come to fruition before engaging with the younger generation becomes a realistic proposition. Nokia just re-issued the 3310- we're told this is to fill a gap in the market for those looking to simplify their digital needs. Obviously it's just a marketing stunt using nostalgia to showcase their android smartphones in a crowded market with well established key players.... but who knows, maybe it'll back fire and WhatsApp, Facebook and those f**king pouting lips and sh*t eyeliner selfies on Instagram will be a thing of the past in the very near future.
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iGRF
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Posted: 28 Feb 17 at 11:39am |
Hmm, where to start. So, they were not left to play alone in bomb sites, travel 5 miles to school on their push bikes aged 6, be taught to use knives and axes and tie knots in Cubs and Scouts, have to compete in running and other races where there were actual winners and lots of losers, not constantly told they were special and 'talented', not given false hope that celebrity stardom is just around the corner and they're singing and dancing was not akin to the caterwhauling of a demented dervish, not parented & pacified by electronic games, tv and tablets, not pampered, preened and above all, not entitled. That's a few of the differences, not much for the professional marketeer to overcome. 
Basically activity sports that work in cold wet reality are f**ked if they are to rely on the millenials. Better to market harder to the new generation of active retirees that may not have had the chance to sail in their busy lifetimes. Edited by iGRF - 28 Feb 17 at 11:47am |
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