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    Posted: 17 Feb 17 at 2:29pm
Originally posted by zeon



What rubbish and even if it wasn't can you please remember the builder and designer are trying to get people to try their new boat and your comments are not helping. As a business man your self, how would you feel if someone did that to your products.


As a businessman involved in promoting his products on the internet, I'm well versed in what does and doesn't inspire people to think about a given product thanks, and trust me, nothing I've said or done on this thread has done anything other than to keep the thread up the page. Left to you lot as I will now, it'll slowly drop down and down into oblivion until you post some inane and often peurile attempt to revive it. Google Astroturfing then understand the technique of negative responses that provoke positive responses elsewhere.. there endeth the lesson.
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Originally posted by iGRF

why participate in an event that is already stacked against you, what possible reason could make you travel all that way, either in your own boat or in someone elses when the stats are so biased.

Why? Because it is fun to have a race in large numbers, see how you are going against mates, sail in a different venue and to see other types of boats that you wouldn't normally see. I went to the Steamer last week for that exact reason and I enjoyed it, a lot, even though I stood no chance and got severely thrashed. Its called having fun. Perhaps if your sole reason for sailing is to win then you may have lost sight of the real prize - enjoyment.

I think that the H2 can bring back a lot of fun to sailing for a lot of people. It looks comfortable, obviously has a good turn of speed without the necessity of spending years of time learning to sail it. If I were lighter I might, but then for me the main problem is the cost, it is just too expensive. Its not too costly for what you get but it is a lot, especially for a new class. While RS might be a very professional outfit with the resources for a high profile marketing campaign, their boat fits nicely in the price range that didn't make it too much of a gamble to jump into a new class. That is a difficult nut to crack for Keith but I hope he does cos I love the look of the hull (not sure about the rig yet) and its a single handed Merlin, which I also love. Good luck
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I like your opinion on this one Maxibuddah.
Get over (being so damn needy of validation) the numbers and get on with sailing. 
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Originally posted by zeon

Originally posted by iGRF

The D Zero tale exactly highlights my point, no way was it 1015 by any measure, no more than the H2 is 1015, I'd love to go up to oxford tomorrow and give it a go, but why participate in an event that is already stacked against you, what possible reason could make you travel all that way, either in your own boat or in someone elses when the stats are so biased. It is exactly why some organisation or body needs to get a grip of all this.

Handicaps need to be calculated scientifically by machine and maths, not bumbling bent buffers or axe grinding cottage industry spoilers and the Laser should be static for them to pivot about, something needs to anchor the whole charade.
What rubbish and even if it wasn't can you please remember the builder and designer are trying to get people to try their new boat and your comments are not helping. As a business man your self, how would you feel if someone did that to your products.


But what sort of TN would encourage people to try the boat, a ridiculously low one so everybody thought it was a rocketship or a nice big bandit number so everybody thought they could get a few wins in before the PYC got their hands on it?


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For what it is worth, in the only race that I have done in an H2 we sailed off 1040, finished 3rd and 4th on corrected time, with the people I would expect to be in front ahead of me and those I would expect to be behind ... behind; being someone brought up with 2/3 digit PY's I think that the estimated 104 with an error of + or - two minutes in a hundred is pretty much in the correct ball park.
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Originally posted by SimonW99

The Hadron is dare I say it for the Solo sailor looking for something faster and who sales is in a handicap rather than Solo fleet. 



They're all buying D-zeros at my place; not because there wasn't a solo fleet but because they found it a bit dull. 

The Aero is gaining traction as a fun boat and we have three or four on the back of the demo events ... but I've yet to see one race. 

Meanwhile our resident Merlin sailor bought a K-1 for when he's crewless.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Feb 17 at 9:59pm
Well all boats look expensive now. The Hadron for what it is isn't expensive. Compare a new Hadron, New Blaze, New Aero, New Phantom with the required bits and you might be shocked. They have all gone up considerably. Choose the best for you.
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A new Aero is the thick end of £3k cheaper than the others you mention and a Laser fully £4k less (ok no real comparison there TBF). New boats are indeed getting very expensive. If I was in the market for a new singlehander the Aero would be very hard to ignore.........
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Originally posted by NickA

The Aero is gaining traction as a fun boat and we have three or four on the back of the demo events ... but I've yet to see one race.

There are a couple racing the winter series at L&LSC.... and they got over 1100 returns into the 2016 PN list, that's only 100 less than an RS300.......
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

A new Aero is the thick end of £3k cheaper than the others you mention and a Laser fully £4k less (ok no real comparison there TBF). New boats are indeed getting very expensive. If I was in the market for a new singlehander the Aero would be very hard to ignore.........

20% of our H2 owners previously owned an Aero.
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