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    Posted: 26 Dec 16 at 11:51am
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...  anywhere in cycling comparable with SA in terms of aggressively sexist culture on open display at a major site.


Appalling isnt it. I'd assumed it was a US cultural/social phenomenon, interesting - and depressing - if its unique to the one site.


It's common enough to hear similar sentiments in British all-male groups. No I don't find it amusing or endearing.
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 Or at least we hope they are. I've sometimes wondered if possibly the top amateurs might be more vulnerable to the banned substances than the pros.

There is an issue in amateur cycling, but it's not as much of a problem as rugby. Particularly Welsh.







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If press reports are correct you can see why they might want to get someone in from a sport with a different culture. Good luck to him, I wouldn't want to go near it.

Different culture....? Is sailing not institutionally sexist and nepotistic? 

Changing, yes, but so are all sports and life generally.

Sexism  ?  depends where you look , 

nepotism -  swings and roundabouts with  barriers to entry  or more pointedly barriers to progression ...  while  there is no need to be an 'Optimist Parent'  it;s not as as if the promising  young  singlehander sailor is going to be able to rely on lifts  from  others  etc  same as if they  were playing  scooer or  doing dance classes ... 
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Wonder how he will deal with cycling's performance enhancing drug culture ... sailing's drug issues are more recreational!


Or at least we hope they are. I've sometimes wondered if possibly the top amateurs might be more vulnerable to the banned substances than the pros.

There must be the temptation, if trying to find the time to get the body in shape for a major event and get far enough ahead in the day job to leave it for a months practive and event, to take a few smarties just to be level with where you would be if you weren't so damn busy.

I'd be sorely tempted if I knew there were some pills that might get my damn body working as well as some of my age defying contemporaries in the Canoes.

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Originally posted by Chris 249

...  anywhere in cycling comparable with SA in terms of aggressively sexist culture on open display at a major site.


Appalling isnt it. I'd assumed it was a US cultural/social phenomenon, interesting - and depressing - if its unique to the one site. Very sad that what is on the one hand the best place to learn from some of the real thinkers in the sport is also home to this destructive misogyny. At least it doesn't seem to be the same people responsible for both. But in their own words their status quo blows. Goodness knows i'm the last to advocate politically correct thinking, but to misquote the greatest of them all, if you have no respect for a significant number of your fellow competitors...
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Wonder how he will deal with cycling's performance enhancing drug culture ... sailing's drug issues are more recreational!
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I don't know of  anywhere in cycling comparable with SA in terms of aggressively sexist culture on open display at a major site.

Is it the sexism or the open display of it that grieves you? The attitudes are common and hardly restricted to SA or to sailing.
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Originally posted by JimC

If press reports are correct you can see why they might want to get someone in from a sport with a different culture. Good luck to him, I wouldn't want to go near it.

There may not be anything particularly wrong with the general culture of the sport of cycling, as far as sexism etc goes; for example, I don't know of  anywhere in cycling comparable with SA in terms of aggressively sexist culture on open display at a major site.

There may be a sub-culture of aggressively loutish Australian middle-aged male track cycling coaches. That's been a problem for decades now, but whether the whole sport suffers from that is another issue. 
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Originally posted by FreshScum


Is sailing not institutionally sexist and nepotistic? 

My impression is it isn't too bad. I can't believe, for instance, that someone with my sort of unconventional background would have been in the Portsmouth Yardstick group back in the 70s.
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