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Chris415700 
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 Topic: Speed Off the LinePosted: 13 Dec 16 at 5:52pm |
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You're sitting too far back. With about 3 seconds to go he pulls the trigger and accelerates away while you are healed to windward with the sail out. As he pulls the trigger he moves forward to stop the transom dragging in the water, while you stay further back. It looks like the other guy has more kicker on allowing him to point higher. You have less kicker and the lack of pointing ability coupled with the lack of lift from the foils due to less speed means that you end up sailing deeper and deeper into his dirty air. Just where you do not want to be. Finally about 6 seconds after the gun you have your head in the bottom of the boat, while the other guy is sitting forward, concentrating on speed and looking up checking the rig. Oh, and did I mention you're sitting too far back? |
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 4:18pm |
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I've seen this time and time again and the only answer is practice I'm afraid. As others have said, the ability to "park" a boat is vital, We used to practice this for hours at a time back in the day on Jim Saltonstalls training camps. He also used to make us race dozens of short (50 metre??) races a day, so we got to do start after start after start, all videoed for later analysis.
If you haven't got any racing coaches at the club I'm sure the RYA RDO could find someone to run a session.
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davidyacht
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 3:55pm |
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I think that I would have been lining up below the other Solution to squeeze him out at the pin, or lee bow him. Had you been further ahead he could have been quite aggressive. You could have worked out a transit to allow you to lay the pin, with him as keep clear boat, or even held station by the IDM. The way that everyone fetched in would suggest that a well timed run in could have been quite effective.
Ref. Line settings; its good to mark up your kicker, and other controls with a scale, or with a permanent marker so that you can readily repeat known fast settings; it's no good having your head in the bottom of the boat randomly pulling controls, while the bigger picture is the guy coming up from underneath of you. There is a gear change from accelerating off the line to straight line speed, but really the kicker is the only control that need be adjusted at this time.
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jeffers
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 3:36pm |
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Also looks like the other boat either has more rake running or more kicker on as your boom angles are different.
Looks like kicker but you may want to compare settings.
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fab100
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 2:36pm |
Pull the sail in and get your ar$e over the side How deep is the water? Looks like you could have got out and held her on station
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fab100
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 2:28pm |
if the board stops the boat sliding sideways... Also, moving the plate's centre of effort aft changes the balance of the rig If you've tried rudderless sailing (best with a jib), most boats spin like a dervish on full plate but behave far better on half-board And pushing the boom out can fill the sail the wrong way... Experiment! But read the rules. |
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laser193713
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 2:21pm |
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Look at the way in which the lead boat rolls and flattens the boat to steer from his close reaching course to the close hauled course, right on the gun. He had a good start, but was under no pressure at all from the fleet. I suppose the one good thing is that you weren't as late as the rest of them!
I would try to be closer to the line for much more of the start sequence, I can't think of a reason to be as far from the line as any of the other boats in that video after about 3 minutes to go, let alone in the last minute. I think that would be the best tip, try and stay in the vicinity of the line, at least then the pressure is on the other boats to make your life difficult rather than being in a situation where all you can do is follow them. Clive is right about trying to hold your bow by a buoy for 30 seconds at a time or so, longer the better. Approach the buoy on a close reach, stop the boat (very important skill) by aggressively shifting your weight back to drag the transom whilst heeling slightly to windward and simultaneously pushing the tiller hard away. This will really put the brakes on. Then try and keep the bow 30cm away from the buoy for as long as you can. Jabs of the tiller to keep it up. Shifting your weight around, forwards and backwards too can make the boat move in all sorts of ways. I used to practice this for hours and hours and I would say that I'm probably one of the better "starters" in most fleets that I race in either as a helmsman or tactician on bigger boats. Best thing to do is get time on the water, maybe even with a friend too so you can challenge each other, work on all the little boat handling skills. Tacking duels, 360s 720s, holding by the mark... etc...
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 1:50pm |
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How does pulling the plate up help keep you on station? Not being facetious, genuine question in case it came out wrong in the sentence and was meant in some other context.
All good advice, and everything I am so totally crap at, yet was so adept at on a board, this is the one bit that separates boats and boards and I've never totally dialed it except when it's very light, I seem to be able to guages the distances better then, running at a line at different windspeeds, I just haven't got it judged, there's a video of sundays debacle on fb, their lines are never as clean as this one was yet still I fouled it up. That start video URL https://www.facebook.com/RedoubtSailingClub/videos/1331781413533049/ I'm 399 2nd boat away. Edited by iGRF - 13 Dec 16 at 1:56pm |
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fab100
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 1:42pm |
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Here's some ideas for you then
Practice holding the boat on station (standing up helps) by hovering near a mark. This might require backing the sail or pulling it to windward, pulling the plate up, pumping the tiller to push the stern one way of the other (but read the rules, it's not allowed to cross the centre-line as you shake it for instance and also you have no rights if going backwards). Bewarned, this ain't easy
Practice protecting your slot and ensuring you have a space to leeward to accelerate into with a few secs to go Practice 'pulling the trigger' - work out how long and how far it takes to get up to full speed in a variety of conditions. You cannot park a dinghy on the line and sheet in just as the gun goes - after 10 seconds you will be 5+secs behind the boats that hit the line at speed and in their dirty wind for the rest of the beat. Make sure you know where the line actually is, using transits or whatever and how long it will take you to get to it. Practice different approaches to the line, such as coming in relatively late on port and tacking into a (sufficient) gap. Again, read the rules. Better to have a clean start than get embroiled in a melee. There is no point winning the pin if it means you are trapped and forced to sail on a starboard header. Line settings: David is referring to the sail (and other) controls - what works for holding the boat on the line is different to when seeking max acceleration or full speed (different again). You may well have different settings if you need to engage stuff-mode because you have a pincher below you or fast-n-low mode because someone is trying to reach over the top of you. Coming off the start line is also a crucial pinch-point, so is the perfect time for a burst of 110% effort, so yes you need to hike for all you are worth, and then some |
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iGRF
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Posted: 13 Dec 16 at 10:22am |
Never, it's not like windsurfing where it is actually quite fun to just go sail, I guess I should make the effort, but, it's one thing saying practise, but practise what? You need to know what it is you're doing wrong to begin with or all I'll do is reinforce crap habits. |
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