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    Posted: 08 Dec 16 at 6:34pm
Exactly. Maybe top masts have been the thing stopping them all from ripping out.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Exactly. Maybe top masts have been the thing stopping them all from ripping out.

Time will tell, pots usually rip out before a top section goes if they are going to go and usually as a result of poor boat maintenance.
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I bow to your greater knowledge. When my Tonic mast pot ripped out it was down to lack of structural integrity, so the next one got wrapped before it went.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Probably that you can have them repaired by an approved repairer who pays a commission to Laser for every repair ;)


they have never said that for sails  , except   the right is reserved  to decide that a repaired sail is substantially modified ... 

a few sailmakers dow n the years have done a good trade in buying  the scrap sails  from insurers and  repairing those  which are  easily repaired without a great deal of replacement material... 
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I'm not sure if I believe it, but I've heard the opinion that the problem with top masts is actually modern aluminium (or is it aluminum?) is stiffer than when the Laser was conceived.
Specs of materials creep over time.
I have put put a bt of bend in my mast. Wasn't there when I bought it! The most stress it has seen is probably stuffing the boat into the back of a wave, I haven't even capsized yet!, and I don't use lots of kicker.
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The stiffness thing does make sense. Minisail masts are bendy as hell, and don't break. Mind you, the fittings would pull out of the hull if Laser tensions were used.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Chris, while you are correct that many of the top sailors won't be selecting gear, there are also documented examples of those who will measure mast rake, weigh topmasts, etc. But the vast majority of Laser sailors aren't in either camp, or even doing local open meetings. They are sailing in their club handicap fleet on a Sunday and on a Wednesday night. Some won't even be aware that the Laser is an Olympic class, let alone that a plastic topmast is now allowed. Be interesting to see the reaction at clubs when the first ones filter down to our level.

Oh yes, there certainly are some sailors who are meticulous about their Lasers. It's just that the claims that you "need" new kit all the time are incorrect. It's probably a bit like the claims that in development classes you need a new boat every year or two - some of the top people get new gear regularly but it's not actually vital.


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But don't the top sections break cos of the rivet weakening it, not the bending?
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It used to be corrosion on the rivet hole and then the mast cracking along the line of it. You put the thing under a lot of tension on that rivet and it was rather unfortunate that it was always the upper one that went, which meant that the jagged edge came out of the collar and ripped the luff tube to add insult to injury, Why they didn't have the upper one at the back, cos that would have negated the issue a little.
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Originally posted by Chris 249



Originally posted by Rupert

Chris, while you are correct that many of the top sailors won't be selecting gear, there are also documented examples of those who will measure mast rake, weigh topmasts, etc. But the vast majority of Laser sailors aren't in either camp, or even doing local open meetings. They are sailing in their club handicap fleet on a Sunday and on a Wednesday night. Some won't even be aware that the Laser is an Olympic class, let alone that a plastic topmast is now allowed. Be interesting to see the reaction at clubs when the first ones filter down to our level.

Oh yes, there certainly are some sailors who are meticulous about their Lasers. It's just that the claims that you "need" new kit all the time are incorrect. It's probably a bit like the claims that in development classes you need a new boat every year or two - some of the top people get new gear regularly but it's not actually vital.



As the owner of ancient boats, I'm not going to disagree on the "need" front, thats for sure. There is probably a psychological need, mind. I know I sail better with a recently polished hull, for instance, even though it must make next to no difference.

Edited by Rupert - 08 Dec 16 at 11:06pm
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