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    Posted: 08 Dec 16 at 9:22am
Originally posted by A2Z

I have no problem with Laser (or any other class) updating periodically. Lasers issue seems to be the slightly haphazard manner in which it happens. the composite mast has been in the pipeline for years and years, but then gets introduced with just a few months notice. Meanwhile, in the US, you can't eve get a new sail.
If the ILCA, rights owners and builders published a 10-15 year plan it would provide some assurance and certainty as to the future of the class. Who would buy a new Laser today not knowing what the future holds?

I don't think many people buy a new laser with a view to the next 15 years, most are looking at being competitive for the next 3 years or so. And most will probably we trading up from an older laser.

Anyway club bar drivel suggests the new sail needs so much mast bend to get the fullness away from the mast, so a slightly bendier top mast would be better. In some light conditions it did seem to me that replica new-style sails were stalled in the top half where my legal old-style sail could be allowed to twist off a little.
I've not looked at any gen-u-wine new style sails yet.

I suspect the new pole will be a must have for the serious laserists, like the shiny new grp foils.
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Originally posted by GarethT

How many people actually buy a new top section?

We just pay the Noble policy excess and they get one sent to us!

I would imagine most 'new for old' insurance people might be open to the idea of the claimant paying the top up for a composite section when their top mast breaks.
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Originally posted by RS400atC



Anyway club bar drivel suggests the new sail needs so much mast bend to get the fullness away from the mast, so a slightly bendier top mast would be better. In some light conditions it did seem to me that replica new-style sails were stalled in the top half where my legal old-style sail could be allowed to twist off a little.
I've not looked at any gen-u-wine new style sails yet.

I suspect the new pole will be a must have for the serious laserists, like the shiny new grp foils.

The stuff coming out the class/builder categorically states that the new top section has the same bend characteristics as the current section.... (just like the new sail trims identically to the old sail..... Wink)
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In other words they must have just stuck carbon effect fablon on a load of aluminium poles and ramped the price up
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I did see a proto type a year or so ago and it was rectangular!
So not a tube with fablon but I would not put it past some.
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Originally posted by maxibuddah

In other words they must have just stuck carbon effect fablon on a load of aluminium poles and ramped the price up

oh come on, be serious. Apart from anything else it would be rather easily spotted. An all glass spar of the requisite weight would be bendier than the alloy one, an all carbon one stiffer, so a mix of the two should deliver, although I imagine it was rather tricky to get the exact balance right. With that and an epoxy based layup there should be the potential for a much longer lived spar, especially if there's no rivet.

A more interesting question is whether there's another link in the chain that will be the next to be exposed as not strong enough and start failing under the vastly greater rig loads the modern Laser has inflicted on it. One change leaves a toothing stone for the next, as an interesting Italian political commentator rightly said... To my mind, as I've often said, it all went wrong when the Laser association failed to ban all those stupid knots and eyes and things. The rest has followed from there.

Edited by JimC - 08 Dec 16 at 4:21pm
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Originally posted by JimC

..... To my mind, as I've often said, it all went wrong when the Laser association failed to ban all those stupid knots and eyes and things. The rest has followed from there.

And all those fit people who hike too hard?
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Brings a whole new meaning to the expression "one design sailors"!
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Fit people who hike hard have always sailed Lasers. In fact, you can now deposed far more, so maybe can be less fit than before?

Next weakest point the mast pot?

Depower, even...

Edited by Rupert - 08 Dec 16 at 6:33pm
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Originally posted by Rupert



Next weakest point the mast pot?

Been a weak point for a number of years. Most insurers won't cover mast pot failures on boats older than 100,000 (might even be higher than that now).
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