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JimC 
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 Topic: Farr 3.7Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 10:33pm |
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In fact the Spice did get as far as RN status for a couple of years, and was a trial number for a couple of years each side of that. It was always 930 though.
As for how many clubs change numbers, I don't know anyones done the sums, but I did a quick scan of the 2015/6 RS200 returns and getting on for a quarter of clubs weren't using the latest published number. |
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Rupert
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 10:15pm |
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Modded Buzz hull, bung a modded ISO rig on, tart the inner molding up a bit, colour it yellow, and Bob's your uncle!
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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craiggo
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 10:04pm |
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Getting an extra 70 odd points out of a modified Buzz hull isn't bad though!
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RS400atC
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 9:54pm |
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Any twin trap boat that can't sail 20 points faster than an RS400 needs to go to landfill. |
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turnturtle
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 7:13pm |
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Gusty 70 acre lake is the issue with a flawed concept 90s asymmetric....'not the PY directly ;-)
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Sam.Spoons
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 6:24pm |
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You may be right (bearing in mind the PY committee describe their numbers as no more that a recommendation and encourage clubs to adjust them for local conditions). It would be a shame for some 'lost classes' though if race committees stuck rigidly with the optimistic numbers some manufacturers gave their new boats to make them look fast..... The Spice never achieved a proper PN, I don't even know if there were enough returns for it to be given an Experimental Number. So it is stuck with 930 and, much as I love my Spice, I don't think even Sir Ben could sail it to 930 on a gusty 70 acre lake.
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 5:53pm |
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Jack Sparrow
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 5:49pm |
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Yes... if you build or have built a Farr 3.7 with a kite your min hull weight, before correctors can be lower to accommodate the kite gear.
8. Weight a. The boat shall be weighed with all gear and fittings which are fastened to the boat excluding all blocks, ropes, shackles, wire, but including toestraps, mainsheet traveller, and compass(es), in a dry condition. b. The weight shall not be less than 50 kg. c. Weight correctors up to 5kg in weight may be attached to the bulkhead at station 2 above the false floor, and details of such shall be entered on the measurement form and Registration Certificate. d. Extra-lightweight composite hulls with provision for detachable prodder and gennaker shall weigh at least 35kg with no weight correctors. e. For such hulls to qualify as standard hulls, up to 15kg of weight correctors shall be attached as follows: the first 5kg shall be attached to the bulkhead at station 2 above the false floor. The remainder (up to10kg) allowed shall be divided into halves. One half shall be attached to either the foredeck or the interior of the prodder tube, within 300mm of the bow. A measurer must be able to check easily the size and location of lead weights in the prodder tube. The other half shall be attached to the cockpit floor or sides (one quarter each side) within 300mm of the transom. Edited by Jack Sparrow - 15 Nov 16 at 5:50pm |
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Dougaldog
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 5:32pm |
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Jeffers....Paul, I think your contact was mis-informed! I've some of
Jack's correspondence on the design criteria for the Enterprise and it wasn't drawn up to include a spinnaker. What is something of a laugh (if you can find humour in the minutiae of dinghy development and design) is that the News Chronicle wanted a boat that was less race orientated/more general purpose than the GP14! It is easy with the hindsight of 60+ years to make a more reasoned comparison between the heavier, single chine GP14 and the lighter, flatter, double chine Enterprise. You talk about rigging an old rules Merlin Rocket kite to your Ent....the nub of the story is that you are probably talking an intermediate spinnaker; the true 'old rules' spinnaker was flown inside the fore triangle, with the sheave for the halyard set below the jib. D
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turnturtle
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Posted: 15 Nov 16 at 5:07pm |
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it can recommend whatever the hell it likes.... most clubs will only go with the RYA numbers, either as stated or as a baseline, and there is no separate entry for a 200 without a kite.
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