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    Posted: 15 Jul 16 at 5:04pm
well the Blaze advantage is that there was already a number of legacy 'topper blazes' out there just needed a tart up and (probably) a new sail.  The other two seem to rely on immediate sign up to get take off.... boom / bust model on both counts; compared to the progressive development of the Blaze with a 'natural order' of feeder boats.  

Anyway, my point is, it's important to acknowledge when someone had the right idea, even when you might have once disagreed with them- stood firm in the face of what seemed quite sizeable pressure (innovate or die speak back then) and came out the other side of it with clearly a better product proposition for the future.  
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Originally posted by Oli

And indeed adding in the fact these are "one design" craft and so may only be sailed in a one design fleet and not part of a handicap fleet at all,

?? Don't understand.

Originally posted by Oli

could a ratio be worked out also for class events? Then some clever maths wizard could look at the two ratios and work out an actual "class popularity" number.  Im sure the data is out there to mine...

Sales figures are very hard to figure out, next to impossible for some classes.   I've never come up with something I had any confidence in. And then there's the question of how to allow for boats no longer active, or even in existence.

I don't think it would even be very practical to calculate how many boats of a class do open events...

I think if one totalled up Nationals competitors and, where held, Masters and Junior Nationals competitors that, alongside the PY returns, might be as good an index of popularity as one might get readily.


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Looks like a cheapish way to learn to solo trapeze on a more stable boat. Especially if you have a blaze already or pick up a cheap one.

Some of the new boats in the  market must have hit boats like this, but it's still a unique option and I hear that Hartleys already have a good order book for next year so if their approach to the Supernovva gets repeated I am sure it will flourish again trap or no trap, kite or no kite.

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Originally posted by Oli

And indeed adding in the fact these are "one design" craft and so may only be sailed in a one design fleet and not part of a handicap fleet at all,

?? Don't understand. 

mean that they will be sailed and raced one design and the py return wont wholly reflect their sailed numbers and therefore potential popularit.


Originally posted by Oli

could a ratio be worked out also for class events? Then some clever maths wizard could look at the two ratios and work out an actual "class popularity" number.  Im sure the data is out there to mine...

Sales figures are very hard to figure out, next to impossible for some classes.   I've never come up with something I had any confidence in. And then there's the question of how to allow for boats no longer active, or even in existence. 

could start with sail numbers in blazes (d-ones more tricky) and go from that, just need to know the starting number

I don't think it would even be very practical to calculate how many boats of a class do open events... 

why not, take the total number of competitors and divide by the number of events, yes a very crude method, and one that would need to be tailored so that only national events and not regional are included.

I think if one totalled up Nationals competitors and, where held, Masters and Junior Nationals competitors that, alongside the PY returns, might be as good an index of popularity as one might get readily.

Personally i think class associations should be gathering this sort of data anyway, it can only help with creating better tailored events.
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