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Pabs ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 177 |
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Okay I have a question from the rule guru's on here,
So i recently missed out on racing in a event because a Race committee didn't pass on information regards to a specific Visa requirement that they had. I had a look at rule 69 for un sportsmanship behaviour but the way I have read it is that I can't protest a race committee/race organization. The reason why I would like some help is that it has cost me over 5k for this event and I only found out on the day before the start of the race giving me no time to get the correct Visa. I had a visa to go to the country on plane or cruise ship but was unable to arrive on a Race boat (I was told by two different immigration offices that what I had was correct prior to the race but unfortunately they was wrong). The race committee knew the type of visa that was required but did not forward this information to the competitors. I am writing to the race committee to request some money back (which will as you probably know won't happen) and to stop this ever happening again. I trained for 8 months for this event so as you can guess I am pretty raw about it. I appreciate your advise if you have any.
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blueboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 512 |
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I can give some rules advice. Your problem is nothing whatsoever to do with the Racing Rules of Sailing. Nothing in the rules requires a race organiser to provide you with visa advice.
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laser193713 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 13 May 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 889 |
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I'm slightly confused? Is this a pay to sail race where you had to get a visa to compete? If so what did the other competitors do? If they all had this issue then perhaps the race committee would have had a case to deal with but my first impression is that you are the only one.
Personally I think the race organisers will take no responsibility at all, in fact I wouldn't be surprised that in the NOR it suggests that all competitors are responsible for their own visas and paperwork.
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iiiiticki ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 16 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 206 |
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Is this because the race started in Canada and ended in another country Paul?
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iiiiticki ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 16 Location: Derbyshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 206 |
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'Pabs' is a British national living in Canada and racing out of Vancouver.
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Pabs ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 05 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 177 |
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Yeah Its a pay to sail event to get on a boat (50' yacht) which pays for race prep of the boat etc and the skipper pays a overall entry fee to the committee. Being English I required a different type of Visa above and beyond the type I had and this information wasn't past on.
I know I can't protest them but I want to put something along the lines of Rule 69 Sportsmanship or maybe rule 62.1(a) Just a thought |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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It probably would have been a damn good idea if they'd given you some warning, but not only is it completely impractical for organisers to give you full and detailed advice about visa requirements, in some countries (such as Australia, NZ and to some extent Germany) they would be committing a criminal act if they did so. Such countries only allow migration advice to be given by qualified people, so they can stop shonks from ripping prospective visitors off. I don't know where you were heading or how many other countries have restrictions on giving detailed advice on immigration so this may not apply in your case. My sympathies, and it does sound like bad organisation from the race officials Edited by Chris 249 - 15 Jul 16 at 11:28pm |
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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It has been a long, long time since I've heard people talking of 'protesting the Race Committee'. That hasn't been an option for a number of the four yearly iterations of the rules. What you can do is request redress, which can apply to an 'act or omission' of the Race Committee. By the sound of it, that would have been the correct way to proceed in this case. Would the Race Committee have a case to answer. To answer that you'd need to have access to all the documentation and hear all the evidence under the correct Protest Jury conditions. A Rule 69 Protest is something very different and I cannot see how it could be applicable in this case. Are you really implying that there was an intentional breach of the Rules regarding Gross Misconduct? D
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blueboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 512 |
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"By the sound of it, that would have been the correct way to proceed in this case."
Since when has the provision of travel advice been part of the responsibilities of a Race Committee? |
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Blue boy; I was very careful not to infer that it did. BUT - the way to resolve any issue such as this or anything else is via the correct process. This is clearly set out and if the op felt that he had a case, let him try...by following those processes (though the comment about 'protesting the race committee' gives us some hints as to the validity, or not, of the case in question). Trial by forum is not the answer, though it doesn't stop some from trying. Hunt around and there are pages of moans and comments about he/she/they did this, that or the other. The answer is the same.
Feel aggrieved? Do something about it.... other than raise moans on here. D
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