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    Posted: 14 Jul 16 at 1:43pm
Originally posted by Daniel Holman

assuming you can keep the beer, kitesurfing and fanny at bay.

so out of touch- it's about amassing instragram followers not notches on bedposts these days mate.  

And kitesurfing's for old dudes like Richard Branson...  you can't catch many Pokemon hooked in to a 9m at the coast.  
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed

Interesting that in many fitness/power output based sports - cycling, rowing - people don't really hit their peak until their late 20s. 

I'm not saying kids are at peak fitness. I said age related fitness. i.e they haven't had enough time to become unfit. What that actually means is the rest of the competition (older) i.e most sailors are unfit. 
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Originally posted by Chris 249

At the risk of sounding like I'm channelling Eric Twiname (which would actually be a damn good thing) I get the strong feeling that kids tend to do well partly because they play with boats. At the top end of the hottest centreboarder fleets I've sailed in, everyone still played around, whether it was in Lasers with Ben Austin (world Youth champ) when we'd do races with everyone standing on the foredeck, to windsurfers where everyone who was good would just throw the boards around for fun.

I've tried to get adults to do that when coaching, but it's all but impossible. Even in windsurfers on a warm day, most adults tend to try to stay dry -  but probably not the winners. I get the feeling that at our national titles, if people are waiting for wind the people more likely to get wet are the winners, including the ex-Olympians, because they will be the ones playing around and still pushing their limits of their handling with freestyle tricks.

Playing with the boat teaches your subconscious the way things like heel affect helm balance, speed and handling. Add to that the structured lessons and training kids get these days and they become depressingly good depressingly early.

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Absolutely "all work and no play makes Jack (everyone) a dull (person)".

Nothing so much fun as messing about in boats; I sometimes nearly resent having to support our racing every Sunday, anybody else feels that way?

BTW. I'm certainly not youth and heading towards quite old.  
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I suspect that teenagers have a greater muscle mass or strength to overall weight ratio (or to skeleton weight) than us older folk. Back in the dark ages when I was a teenager and under 8 stone soaking wet, I played squash for a minimum of 6 hrs per week, often on my own, and hiked off what ever I was sailing all weekend. Never felt any aches or pains.
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It is not so much firmness but the learned tactical skill
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I know lots despise the RYA junior/youth squad system but it does produce loads of kids who might not win any championships but are basically good and have a natural understanding.
My eldest was a squad failure who doesn't sail much now but when he does he still looks good.
It takes the rest of us 1/2 a lifetime to get to that level of competence.
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To be clear. Not knocking the RYA squad method, my previously slightly blinked eyes have been opened by a bunch of our Oppie sailors. All as keen as mustard training in all weathers, as sharp as razors on the race course and all done without pushy parents screaming from the sidelines.
Simply all time spent wether formal training or freestyle fun when young I reckon is worth double that when mature. 
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Don't believe anyone criticises the squad system from the point of view of competence of the sailors it produces. My concern is that if you've been there and done everything but the Olympics by the time you're 18 then there's not much to look forward to, and burnout at 18 from one of the few sports you can do well into your 50s is rather a shame.
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Originally posted by JimC

Don't believe anyone criticises the squad system from the point of view of competence of the sailors it produces. My concern is that if you've been there and done everything but the Olympics by the time you're 18 then there's not much to look forward to, and burnout at 18 from one of the few sports you can do well into your 50s is rather a shame.


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