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    Posted: 23 Jun 16 at 7:53am
Twice the prizes?
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I never understand why single handers should pay a lot less than double handers, especially if drinks or meals are not included. One fee for any boat!
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We run our opens with volunteers and recently charged £25 per doublehander & £13 per singlehander for two days - Phantom, 12 and Wayfarer open but also a separate handicap fleet so that club members could race too.

Given that for two classes it was their Eastern Champs and part of the national circuit for the 12s, I don't think we charged too much. Camping was free.
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Originally posted by gordon1277

Also not all clubs have enough in house patrol boats to cover for the entry of an open. Or a commitee boat if they club race from a fixed line.


All these things have to be weighed up.
Some clubs will talk members into lending RIBs, yachts for committee boats, others will have to shell out proper money.
At the top end, they may be paying for umpires and protest committees.
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Also not all clubs have enough in house patrol boats to cover for the entry of an open. Or a commitee boat if they club race from a fixed line.
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Originally posted by craiggo

 I prefer clubs where members muck in and pull their weight, not only are these clubs more friendly but they have the benefit of being cheaper.

be careful... in some circumstances, what is perceived as 'friendly' can often come across as 'cliquey' to those on the outside.   Confused
 


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The club I am a member of is holding its Regatta this weekend (you are all invited to Thornbury SC) and they typically aim to just break even on the main income and outgoings of the weekend. So prizes and evening entertainment are balanced out by entry fees. £15 for a doublehander and £10 for a singlehander. Later in the year our Laser & RS200 open will be priced around the £10-£15 mark.
For a single day or weekend event I wouldn't want to pay more than £25 unless there was going to be some real off the water entertainment, but then if clubs are buying in rescue services the prices are going to go up. I personally hate buying something you'd be prepared to do yourself and I prefer clubs where members muck in and pull their weight, not only are these clubs more friendly but they have the benefit of being cheaper.
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Originally posted by pompeysailor

Horses are the worst! Show jumping or Dressage competitions = £10-20 for about 3 minutes of actual competing time!



Yes but at least you can eat a horse when things get too bad.
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Horses are the worst! Show jumping or Dressage competitions = £10-20 for about 3 minutes of actual competing time!

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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by iiiiticki

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I suppose CVRDA have Mothers Pride white bread and spam sandwiches, swiss roll swilled down with Typhoo leaf tea?

Yes but are there nice ladies making you tea and cooking lunch?

The opens I've been to in the last 5 years, one fleet has been notable for low entry fees and high probability of cheap, quality snacks, sometimes even free.

Some clubs/classes treat opens as a cash cow. Others treat them as an  opportunity to get quality sailing at their club, put their club on the circuit map and repay the hospitality they got at the other clubs last time.
Of course nobody wants to make a loss, and it's fair to place some value on volunteer time and lost club sailing.

But it pays to consider ths kind of thing when deciding what boat to sail and what events to do.

Paying £30 for say 4 well-run races in a quality fleet seems pretty good value to me, but if the quality of the racing drops off (for instance you get a compromised course because they're running several fleets, or poor time management), or there's few boats you are competitive with, and you have to deal with a lot of jobsworths on shore, the value can quickly go out of it.

The worst thing is spending a weekend on some godforsaken puddle in a shifty force 2 (later reported as 'champagne sailing in sunny F4, with pictures showing crews sat to leeward...) then getting back to your home club as people are just coming ashore in a cracking sea breeze.
That's when you start resenting having been charged £1.50 for a beaker of Maxwell House on top of your entry fee and travel costs.

I know of a few clubs who treat Opens as a break even or even loss leader events as it gives publicity. At Hunts we usually offer free tea and coffee to competitors as part of the entry fee and the food is very reasonable and freshly made. There is also usually someone who volunteers to make the ubiquitous Bacon sarnies as well (the club is entirely volunteer run). Other clubs with paid staff and outside catering may not have the luxury of being able to offer this.

We have the CVDRA rally again this year, let us hope they are as impressed as they were the first time round with our hospitality.
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