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    Posted: 19 May 16 at 8:21pm
The Olympics is nearly on us which means that soon afterwards all the rules geeks get to look forward to new rules to dissect, argue about and despair that no one in the local fleet knows them.

So the questions are:

1) What changes would you like to see?

2) What changes will we see?

For me its rule 17, I've heard lots of rumours "its going to be turned off by default in Appendix D", "its going to be deleted entirely", the tension is killing me.

As a two boat team racer I'm pretty used to racing without 17 as its often turned off in the SIs but getting rid of it will make 3 boat team racing runs pretty sporting (and probably quite a bit longer). I can't seem them taking it out entirely as I don't think the general fleet racing world is ready for that. 
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Port and starboard reversed on alternate Sundays and for the Olympic medal race.

What will they do? Fiddle around a bit in ways that no one at club level will ever notice or care about.
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Which is good right, to my mind that should be the aim. Change the rules in ways that improve the game for those at the top end without causing too much hassle at club level.
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Normally to see the Racing Rules Committee submissions, you go to the sailing.org Documents and Rules tab and use the search panel towards the foot of the page.

 

But ALL the RRC submissions links that I retrieve at the moment are broken.

 

PEd, any ideas?
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I'd like to see the definition for finish improved. Last time IMHO it became more confusing, not less.

I'd like to see protest validity changed so that a procedural error by the victim is less of a get out of gaol free for the criminal.

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The changes to rule 18 from the last to the current set are so poorly understood (it's not even apparent that people are aware that the rule changed significantly) that I would hope they do something about it to prevent the crazy leeward mark bundles that result. They moved it in the right direction but some additional wording might be helpful.
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Originally posted by Brass

Normally to see the Racing Rules Committee submissions, you go to the sailing.org Documents and Rules tab and use the search panel towards the foot of the page.

 

But ALL the RRC submissions links that I retrieve at the moment are broken.

 

PEd, any ideas?


Go to the 2015 Annual Conference page: http://www.sailing.org/meetings/2015-conference.php

Click on the Papers tab, then click on the Submissions tab.

There is a zip file at the top of the page with all the submissions in it.

You then need to go through the minutes of the Council meeting to find out which submissions were rejected and which approved (some with amendments).

My quick assessment is that there aren't any significant changes to the boat-on-boat rules as they apply to fleet racing - just some changes to the wording intended to make the rules clearer (and remove some unintentional conflicts between different rules).

I haven't looked in detail at the changes to the rules for windsurfers, kite boards, match racing and team racing.
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I'd change A8.2, scoring in a series tie. The current rule says "If a tie remains between two or more boats, they shall be ranked in order of their scores in their last race". This feels a bit arbitrary to me. IMHO it was much fairer in the old days when in the event of a tie discards were used as the tiebreaker.
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IMHO it was much fairer in the old days when in the event of a tie discards were used as the tiebreaker.

A much better system. However, it doesn't fit with the sudden death for the cameras type approach that seems to be favoured for the Olympics these days - which is perhaps no reason why the rest of us have to put up with it.
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Originally posted by Quagers



For me its rule 17, I've heard lots of rumours "its going to be turned off by default in Appendix D", "its going to be deleted entirely", the tension is killing me.

Seems to me that rule 17 was not devised with mixed fleets of lasers and asymmetrics in mind
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