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    Posted: 09 May 16 at 4:10pm
Originally posted by Peaky

Or, why doesn't someone start secondhandlasersails.com to trade cheap season old legal sails? There must be plenty of supply and demand for such a service.
 
Many years ago Mark Littlejohn did a trade-in service, it was very useful when I was rolling through Laser sails as I could in effect get a new one for half price by trading in the old one with around 6-12 months use.
 
Maybe that service died out with the introduction of ebay?
 
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Originally posted by Jamie600

Originally posted by Peaky

Or, why doesn't someone start secondhandlasersails.com to trade cheap season old legal sails? There must be plenty of supply and demand for such a service.
 
Many years ago Mark Littlejohn did a trade-in service, it was very useful when I was rolling through Laser sails as I could in effect get a new one for half price by trading in the old one with around 6-12 months use.
 
Maybe that service died out with the introduction of ebay?
 

I bought a couple of nice sails from Mark back in the day, and was very pleased with them. Mark was very honest about how he described his sails though, which isn't something I'd say about the second hand Laser sails I've seen on Ebay !   
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by GML

if an Organising Authority wants to organise racing for boats with a Laser hull but any sail, then it is free to do so

I got an opinion from the RYA on related matters a few years ago. They were quite clear that if a boat has been taken *deliberately* out of class, eg by fitting a replica sail, then the class rules of the class the boat used to be in no longer apply to the boat.

But that's very different from saying that class rules do not apply in a handicap event.

I didn't say class rules don't apply in a handicap event, I said quite the opposite: I said that they DO apply to any boat that claims to be of a particular class when they enter, BUT NOT to those that make clear on their entry form that they are 'out of class'.

If an OA wants to say that only boats that are 'in class' are allowed to enter its handicap events then they are free to do that in the NoR (and indeed I can see why that would be a sensible idea for events like the Bloody Mary).

If on the other hand an OA is happy to allow boats that are 'out of class' to enter its events (whether a handicap event or a "class" event) then they are equally free to do so (albeit they will need to be careful in the latter case to make it clear in the NoR that this will not be "proper" class racing).

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Originally posted by Peaky

Why don't those who want to race Laser hulls with non Laser sails start their own class association? ....


I don't think anyone wants that to happen.
It could easily get bigger than the official Laser CA.

From the people I talk to, I think the rep sail using club sailors are generally quite happy with their relationship with the ILCA event attending superstars and yoof squaddies etc.

The only real world friction I've seen is at a certain big multi-class club regatta week, where club sailors turned up with rep sails, including some kids and people with old boats. They'd have never have gone to a Laser Open, but this was a local summer thing that all the local clubs worked their calendar around.
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I think one useful thing that could be required of replica sails, that could result from such an organisation (none class sail users assoc)could be a measurement certificate. I bet if you collated a group of 'replica' sails there would be an uncomfortable divergence in sizes.
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Originally posted by iGRF

I think one useful thing that could be required of replica sails, that could result from such an organisation (none class sail users assoc)could be a measurement certificate. I bet if you collated a group of 'replica' sails there would be an uncomfortable divergence in sizes.


I don't think so, they fit on the same metal sticks and don't have long battens or headboards.
If people were putting serious effort into rep-sail development, shape and fullness would be what we should be looking at.
And maybe different cloths that make the cunningham work better...

Luckily people just want to club race with an affordable sail that will work reasonably well for more than half a season.
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Originally posted by iGRF

I think one useful thing that could be required of replica sails, that could result from such an organisation (none class sail users assoc)could be a measurement certificate. I bet if you collated a group of 'replica' sails there would be an uncomfortable divergence in sizes.

Having seen the variation of the class legal item I am confident that a replica would be no worse and in fact might even be better.....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 May 16 at 12:02pm
Well 'they' replica sail makers are doing very nicely with replica new look radial sails that have produced an entire beat lead in what I'd say was a tad on the unprecedented side for a lead in our close knit mackerel feet, smelt like something dodgy going on from where I was watching.
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Not I should point out can I fairly complain, given I use a 'replica' sail on the EPS, not even a replica, given it's soft, but then replica's are the only source of sail for the class these days.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by iGRF

I think one useful thing that could be required of replica sails, that could result from such an organisation (none class sail users assoc)could be a measurement certificate. I bet if you collated a group of 'replica' sails there would be an uncomfortable divergence in sizes.

Having seen the variation of the class legal item I am confident that a replica would be no worse and in fact might even be better.....

My experience of various replica sails is that they are pretty basic, and aren't exactly the last word in quality or design. Which for £120 or so is fair enough. I don't get where this feeling comes from that replica sails might be "better" than a class legal sail?    At my club its the guys and kids with old boats who tend to sail with replicas, not the guys at the front of the fleet. Or am I missing something?
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