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blueboy ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 27 Aug 10 Online Status: Offline Posts: 512 |
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The contracts that BK had are a matter of public record due to the ongoing court case and IIRC he received a royalty per new boat sold but nothing for replacement parts, including replacement sails. So in this case if anyone is being "ripped off" by replica sail makers, it isn't the designer of the original Laser sail. |
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Late starter ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 24 Feb 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 481 |
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Sadly the management of the Laser "business" seems totally broken, and I hope that the various court cases eventually come to a resolution one way or another. I'd actually be quite happy to pay a royalty for replica sails, but in my naivety I'd rather be paying that to the guy who designed the boat and has given me decades of fun sailing these great little toys.
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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depends on your POV.... 'horrible as it sounds, a protracted legal battle with an octogenarian might be a viable legal tactic, therefore good commercial sense given the scenario. After all, if think it's complex now, imagine the complexity if one of the parties was a probate beneficiary. ![]() |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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I think if someone had come up with a nice aftermarket carbon mast boom laminate sail that took the thing on to new levels of performance and longevity even I'd be OK with that. As it is I'm not altogether comfortable with the 'replica' thing particularly as seems to be the case the 'replicas' are bigger or better in some way as well as being more affordable which in itself isn't a bad thing if it broadens the market base.
Maybe replica Lasers should be given the old yardstick of 1078, see if they continue to proliferate with that little bonus. Edited by iGRF - 03 May 16 at 2:53pm |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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same old pro/con debates about replicas.... this forum never fails to resurrect the same debates
![]() what I'm a little surprised at is that no one has asked 'why?'.... 'why are Rooster stopping replica sails?' Surely they're a good piece of revenue, even if the competition has squeezed them a bit? Maybe it's a bit of a leap, but as forum conjecture goes, could it be that Rooster are aligning themselves up for a more official role within the authorised parts supply chain in due course? I couldn't think of a better placed firm to take forward the Laser into he 21st century than Rooster- their customer service is exceptional and their product ranges priced well without compromising on quality. There's more to this decision ... i can smell it :-)
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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The SMOD makers (well a certain well known individual of that set) themselves have OK'd and even promoted using replica sails on their own boats for beach holiday operators, which rather blows apart the designers' rights argument.
In most spare parts businesses, in the EU, anti-monopoly legislation endorses aftermarket parts. Of course if people wish to organise themselves into a class association and standardise equipment when racing in that class, that is their choice. If people are not in the class association, they can race PY at their club. Calling it a laser for the purposes of allocating a PY is just admin shorthand and clearly the simplest and fairest way of giving it a number. Clubs opening their 'laser' class race to 'laser hull with rep sail' is just a step on from letting someone race a laser without joining the CA. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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I'm not aware of the laser replicas being bigger or better than standard (when new). AFAIK, they are all pretty much in the spirit of level performance. There is after all a fair variation in what has passed for the official OD product over the years. |
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Pattern' sails frankly undermine real
choice - in that when you sail with a rip-off copy you damage the strict Laser
SMOD model in a market with plenty of 'free' alternatives already. This
really does reduce true choice. So you want to 'cherry pick' the bits
you like about the boat but not those you decide you don't .. is it as
simple as that ? Get over it - If you don't like the SMOD model you don't have
to sail one. |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I suspect most people buying replica sails just want a boat to race at their club. The Laser is common, easy to buy, easy to sell, and is also owned by lots of other Wednesday night warriors. That is is an international Olympic one design matters not a not, so nor does the sail maker. Of course prices would skyrocket if any sail could be used at the worlds, or even at overly serious Laser opens, but that isn't anything go do with buying a cheap replica.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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As for comparing Lasers to designer sofas, would you expect to have to buy a new throw to put on the sofa from the designer?
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