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    Posted: 25 Mar 16 at 2:20pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

Small boats, boards etc are great for transport... This is a beach boat, not a racing machine.

Well that is two thirds correct.

The RS Aeros lightweight and stacking ability has enabled efficient cost effective delivery to over 40 countries. Owners have been able to enjoy boat delivery to distant Regattas at minimal cost, with more exciting venues coming up.


The RS Aero does make a fantastic beach boat. It is super light, simple, easy to rig and a lot of fun to both cruise and race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DumYgSdzz0g

However I am not sure how you could be so ill informed to think its 'not a racing machine'. The RS Aero has proven its capability consistently over a range of conditions and locations with the following 1st places, to name but a few, without including club races...

1st/16 - Rollesby, New Years  2015

1st/71 - Camel Week, Rock 2015

1st/20 - Barts Bash Bosham 2015

1st/18 - Emsworth Slipper's Slipper Shiver 2015

1st/100 - Starcross Steamer 2016

1st/34 - Roadford Rocket 2016

Of course it is PY, but certainly showing its potential against other classes whilst having a lot of fun too!

  




Edited by Peter Barton - 25 Mar 16 at 2:27pm
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You can just about make out Dave to the right of the bow as he takes a dive into the water, so chances are he was still 'sailing' the boat at the time, the force of him being thrown forward helping get the bow down.

I suspect most of the forum would be swimming round their boats in this weather. I was quite happily stacked on my 5.2 in the background
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If you have never produced something 'of interest' to the watching cameras then you have probably not pushed the limits in any real breeze very often.  

Selecting one-off incidents, 'odd events' and 'interesting photos' is one thing but then suggesting or implying they might be indicative of a general deficiancy or failing in another class is frankly just partisan sniping or just plain wrong.  

Or have some of us got the wrong end of the stick - or are we simply just guilty of following Sailing Anarchy again recently ... LOL  
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Originally posted by jeffers

 
Say that to the person sailing this one.....



You would struggle to. There was no one sailing that boat at that time, Dave Lynall had fallen out. Had someone been planted at the back of it then it wouldn't have cart wheeled.

Great to see a couple of RS Aeros out at Bowmoor in winds like that last May. No harm came to RS Aero or sailer in the making of this great pic and David Lynall went on to win the race. 
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'Wednesday night fun and frolics - I would like to say that this was an attempt at freestyle but the reality was I got thrown out and it took off!'
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Yep, it can't be said too often that every design is a compromise. I'm not a fan of putting beginners in crap boats as too often seemed to happen especially in the old days, but its also not good to put them in boats which make it easy to develop bad habits if there's no other means of helping them overcome them.
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Laser shouts at you when you are sailing well a lot tbh. Its a fair point that the crap rudder does punish poor sailing especially bear aways more than a good one.
It is one of many elements that reduce its popularity with beginners tho!
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That has disadvantages as well as advantages. Very easy to drag a lightly loaded rudder sideways through the water, creating just as much drag as if it were a heavily loaded one. The Laser shouts at you to tell you you are sailing badly, whereas other boats may keep it a secret.
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Originally posted by zippyRN

Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by SimonW99

Doesnt that have to be a function of any sail power adjustment whether with the same sail or different ones. Laser rudder is too small for a 4.7 in a blow :-0

The Laser Rudder is too small period and has very high load that practically eliminates any feel.
conversely that claim can be dismissed in terms  of boat handling and set up  knowledge and experience deficits...

Perhaps you should find out the experience, knowledge and set up ability of the person you speak about prior to making a comment like that.

Having owned several Lasers over the years from an old beater boat as my first right up to a brand new one they all had a heavy rudder to a greater or lesser degree. Having borrowed other Lasers at times (we liked to boat swap just for comparison purposes) they also all had a heavy rudders. Then you jump in to something like a Phantom, Blaze, Fireball, Icon, Scorpion, D-Zero, Byte (which has a very similar rudder to a Laser), Mirror, Vision, 2000, Vago, so so on... and they all have a much lower rudder load and a much better feel. 

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Or a combination of both- where the stock pivots - but I guess that adds (unnecessary) cost
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On the flip side of that I much prefer a cassette rudder to a swinging rudder. I can get it up 1/3 to 1/2 on the way in and still maintain a light rudder load and much better control.

Yes but .... Reminds me of a story involving Peaky ... when he had a crew and an Icon.  We encouraged him to enter the Sheppey Race with said Icon (which had a cassette rudder- it was allowed and was his preferred weapon)  Anyway we expressed concern about the possibility of 'hitting the hard stuff' which as many know is just possible at Sheppey ( Wink).  Anyway Toby insisted he would/could so very easily 'raise the foil' maybe 50% or whatever in 'the shallow areas' .. and rejected our offer of a loaned pivotting one).  Those who know Sheppey will already be shoulting out loud that the water is pretty murky and it is mostly impossible to see more than 3" through the stuff let alone see all the potential shallows .... Anyway about 5 miles into the race the inevitable happened - resulting in the transom fittings departing from the back of the boat complete with the casette stock and blade.  (Well Peaky was surprised anyway).... Credit to him he hung onto the extension and recovered the bits .. and then sailed back 5 miles upwind without a rudder at all....

The moral of the story - Life (and the hard stuff) often gets you when you are not expecting it.  Nothing wrong with cassette arrangements btw if you never touch the hard stuff  - but they are not always the most practical or best thing either.... if you want the 'best' then there are many who wil argue that a fixed one is superior to anything - it is but for everything, all of the time and for everybody ?  

Mass produced boats that are going to sell widely will get used at a very wide range of locations - the 'best' generic default solution as on the Laser, plus now Aero and many more SMOD boats therefore has to be a pivoting rudder surely ?    


Edited by Cirrus - 22 Mar 16 at 10:16pm
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