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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Why move traveller... Please go ahead, if we ever get to sail one Against each other, I will make a ham fisted attempt to make full use of that adjustable thingy, you on the other hand can wrestle the falls from mid boom, hoping the point loading doesn't snap it...
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I don't think there is any class bashing going on in this thread. A little bit of too tight ruled SMOD criticism, yes, but no harm in that, it is just a view point.
Cirrus, would I be allowed to rig a Blaze pure aft main? I think it would work really well, right up to the point when I wanted the boat to gybe when I wanted it to, not when it felt like it! I never did have a go in the Punk with the aft sheeting coming along the floor to the rachet block. Must have been well thought out to avoid the friction I can see could be a problem? |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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you wouldn't need to, an old polytechnic sh*tter is just as competitive.... allegedly.
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Mr Null …. It would be nice once in a while if more put away their tribal colours and engaged in a bit of a free ranging debate without all the unnecessary baggage. It diverts more useful discussion at the least. I’ve sailed Zero (naturally the Aero as well ) and I
do have my views. Equally I recognize that others will prefer different boats –
but like the majority here I seldom argue that ‘my’ boat is somehow better than
’yours’ without tongue firmly in check. There is no point whatsoever. Or knocking others boats as a knee-jerk
reaction to anything that ‘we’ decide we don’t like or have an axe to grind on
about. We can surely however look at different generic
dinghy controls and systems as they are applied to all boats .. are you getting
my drift ?. I have never stated that,
specifically the ‘Zero’ is in some sort of straightjacket btw - How could anyone make that point when we see
the class quickly ‘adjusting’ its stance to carry different sized sails - and more
recently to offer pivoting rudders. And
what next ? Of course this will happen to any class over time and these
changes, adopted when needed, are surely for the better ? It is not possible on this earth to rule out additional
changes in the future – for any class. As ever the Blaze seems to ‘get your goat’ in
passing. Oh well I suppose I’d better
respond…… You (also) state in the
latest missive that we have choices in the market – man up then and just get
over this particular choice. I don't constantly refer to the Zero in a -ve light in passing neither do others here ..... I also have
to state for the record then Blaze growth is excellent, Hartley’s just borrowed
a spare one from us at the last minute to put on their stand at the Dinghy Show in addition to one
on the CA stand (the formal tooling handover is in June)… and then took another
TEN+ deposit paid orders over the weekend and in the following couple of days. Not a record, far from it, but not shabby at all for a ‘minor’ class that
has been around for quite a few years. I’m delighted whatever you choose to sail – honestly. I’m also pleased that other classes are
growing. That is good for all of us. IMO dinghy sailing/racing is
hardly best promoted by some of the repetitive, predictable and negative –ve ‘banter’
here. We are not all ‘mutually exclusive’
!! PS - You don't see a bus coming for ages and then TWO come along together tied at the hip !! Mr TT .. so you've checked the Blaze National results then as suggested ? See all the good polyester boats mixed with the ones produced in the last decade in there, checking the numbers just in case we were misleading you..... NO ? .... QED then. Edited by Cirrus - 18 Mar 16 at 9:41am |
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Washy71 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 56 |
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Can we talk about the Blaze on a Blaze thread and keep this one on topic, perhaps?
As to the point on sheeting arrangement. The D-Zero is sailed "block to block" upwind. The rig is designed this way. I'm not convinced this approach would be easy, or indeed possible, to achieve without the current arrangement sheeting off the end of the boom, though I'm no boat builder, rigger, designer etc... so happy to be corrected by anyone who knows, not thinks, I'm wrong! I sailed with another class of single hander yesterday, and I'm not going to name it, which has a centre sheeting arrangement and I was struggling to work with the guy as to how the thing should be sheeted when close hauled. Its bloody easy in a D-Zero "get it block to block!". |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Washy, all boats are interconnected in some way, so no way can a thread talk purely about one and be more than 3 posts long! Especially on the subject of mainsheets, it seems.
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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On mainsheet systems
One of the better guys in the Phantom put the rear type sheeting arrangement on his Phantom for a while and was very happy with it untill it got very windy when he reverted to centre main, mostly I believe for gybing. When I tried the Zero it was very light so not a true test but does the main catch on the back corners when you gybe like a Laser? Cheer Gordon |
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Washy71 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 56 |
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Hi Gordon, I've not had the sheet catch on the corners of the boat. They're shaped in such a way as to make that practically impossible, Id've thought. I used to sail a Laser. Its pretty easy to develop gybing technique to avoid hooking the transom. Like most things, different boats require different skills/techniques. |
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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Let me enlighten you once more... I'm perfectly aware about getting ones head out of the boat, can do it quite well now thanks, and this boat makes it even easier, hence the comments about it finding it's groove well which assists the 'autopilot function whilst one's head is out of the boat. Now the bit I'm talking about is the downhill bit where you pump the sail to get going, catch a wave or just catch up if as I was, not actually engaged in racing and learning to pump efficiently has always been high on my list of priorities in these things without direct hand to boom contact. Now it's been my experience, the more direct the action, the quicker the pump and having miles of rope out the back and back, to sheet in, takes longer than a short set of loops in the middle, which if you are really in a hurry, you can just grab the lot and haul back on, one to one. That's what I mean, the convenience of grabbing it all rather than yanking in yards of rope off the back. Edited by iGRF - 18 Mar 16 at 11:45am |
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getafix ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 28 Mar 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2143 |
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for me and quite a few single-handers having the main sheet take off point in front of you, whether off boom or off a centre jammer (or similar) is a preferred option when it comes to windy days, particularly gybing - we talked about this after a windy race last summer and that was the consensus, even one guy who had re-rigged his N12 to have the main come off the boom slighty aft of mid-point with a rear traveller arrangement, thinking back to days of yore and gybing transom sheeted N12's I can well understand why - would probably be my first move if I do what I keep promising myself and buy one again! |
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