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    Posted: 16 Mar 16 at 3:33pm
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Originally posted by Rupert



It's blue, that's all.


Don't know about the blue one, something looked very wrong about it to me, maybe it was the stupid oversized boom, I'm not sure, anyway it's not in the same league as the main rig imv and I haven't tried it so can't speak with any authority whereas I've watched with interest how the Punk rig has morphed into that D Zero rig almost from conception and I'm not that sure it was much of an improvement over that outfit Dan used at the Broxbourne meet to great effect, now that was a masterpiece of a dinghy rig if ever there were such a thing.


The "oversized" boom is a pure cost thing where they use one boom for both rigs. I'm guessing most would rather not buy a second carbon boom if they wanted to operate both rigs from time to time. Pretty sure the only spar change required is a different bottom section. We have one lady helm at our club who occasionally brings out her blue rig but she mostly sails with the grey rig, unless its pushing 20kts.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Enterprise sail? Is that a gag? From the man who put up with that deep cut over leeched joke on the Supersofa and the Dacronian throwback rig on the Aero?

One thing that stands clear of everything dinghy I've ever sailed is Dan's windsurfer inspired rig, you need to get in one and quick, to have any understanding of what's wrong with over half the dinghy rigs out there you need to try one that works properly first.

I was actually talking about the colour, but now you have raised it...

I realise you hate the Supernova rig and I accept that it looks a bit unusual and has a boom that is a might too long but whatever you think of it, it works really well. I had no problem sailing up and through Lasers and I could sail it competitively and in control from the very light to 25 knots and win races. I have not sailed a dinghy with a rig that gave so much power control so go bury your uninformed bias!! 67 boats at the Supernova Nationals and a growing class, 13 at the Solution nationals...... Pinch

As for Dacron on the Aero, it sets into a really efficient shape under tension and whether a laminate combined with the the straight mast would have worked as well I have no idea. When up its a really nice efficient shape. If it has a downside its that I miss the range of power control I had previously and sit weight wise between two sizes - and before you say it more pies isnt the answer! Recently I have tried to just stick to the 7, which is easy, but I do get underpowered. So my new strategy is go large or go home and we will see how that works out! 

As for the DZero I have sailed it twice - one in the very light and once when it was 20+knots and it seemed pretty good in both, but I never had time to work it out. I'd happily sail one if there was a fleet where I sailed, it was a nice boat.
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Originally posted by Washy71

 

The "oversized" boom is a pure cost thing where they use one boom for both rigs. I'm guessing most would rather not buy a second carbon boom if they wanted to operate both rigs from time to time. Pretty sure the only spar change required is a different bottom section. We have one lady helm at our club who occasionally brings out her blue rig but she mostly sails with the grey rig, unless its pushing 20kts.

Aft traveller also needs the same boom as the full size rig. 
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Originally posted by Presuming Ed


Originally posted by Washy71

 
The "oversized" boom is a pure cost thing where they use one boom for both rigs. I'm guessing most would rather not buy a second carbon boom if they wanted to operate both rigs from time to time. Pretty sure the only spar change required is a different bottom section. We have one lady helm at our club who occasionally brings out her blue rig but she mostly sails with the grey rig, unless its pushing 20kts.

Aft traveller also needs the same boom as the full size rig. 


A very fair point!
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Aft traveller would probably be the first thing to go if I ever got one. It was OK on the punk with that unique beneath the deck arrangement but having dispensed with that, I think I'd move straight to centre sheeting particularly as it felt gutless trying to pump it downwind to catch a bloody Aero 7 that was having it away from me.


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Originally posted by iGRF

Aft traveller would probably be the first thing to go if I ever got one. It was OK on the punk with that unique beneath the deck arrangement but having dispensed with that, I think I'd move straight to centre sheeting particularly as it felt gutless trying to pump it downwind to catch a bloody Aero 7 that was having it away from me.


thats called 'skill' and 'looking out of the boat at the breeze and sailing to the conditions" .... it's got feck all to do with what traveller arrangement or what other b*ll*cks you're looking at with your head in the boat fella :-)
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Why not simply allow any sheeting arrangement - centre-main, aft sheeted, 'off the boom' or whatever.  Should make naff all squared difference in cost, is easily changed, and like toestrap details or tiller extensions etc is best left down to personal choice .... imo at least.   GRF can then go for whatever cats-cradle he likes .. and anyone else can follow their own way just as easily.  SMODs don't all have to follow a 100% straightjacket conformity model.    
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Because that's not how our rules are written. Have you even read though our rule set before branding the class as having a "straight jacket" conformity model? For an SMOD we have some pretty open rules. You may not like them, which is fine. Frankly if you don't, probably best you don't buy the boat Cirrus. But then again that's never going to happen is it given current/previous involvement with the blaze. We certainly wouldn't change rules around sheeting arrangements to encourage GRF to join the fleet! The nice thing about the diversity and different options in this market space means you have a choice. I wouldn't buy a blaze because of the scaffolding and the recent carbon rig switch... I guess some people like that....lucky for the Zero and the class growth is that more people seem to think we are doing something right rather than wrong.....


Anyway I'm back in hibernation, wish I hadn't stopped by to see what was happening to be honest

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Well, it was a fairly reasoned discussion up to that point!

While the free, how you like it sheeting arrangement didn't appear to be for the Zero (and there could be all sorts of design/structural issues why not, there are plenty of classes which do allow variety. You can even aft main a Solo if you really want to!
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Rupert, agreed....always seems to revert back class bashing version 1.1.   Whilst I'm often classed as the instigator. I have not posted here all year. Just popped in today to see if I had missed anything. Doesn't look like I have to be honest
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