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    Posted: 08 Mar 16 at 11:52am
All this for another year? I think I may mess up my account again. Our club survives on handicap racing as do many others and it works. Last year results were dominated by an Albacore (of all things) and Byte. One of our Supernova sailors decided that he may have a better chance of competition if he bought an Aero, so he has. He happened to have the money and he made that choice. He is not grumbling even though he feels that Byte PY is advantageous to them on our water. We all accept that the system has it's flaws but so would any other system. Just get on and sail the bliddy things.
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1st thing I would do is change to a TCF. CT=ET*TCF. Makes in the head maths much easier. 
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I've got agree that you need a reference point grf. How can you get something sorted if everything is moving about? But you'd probably still get someone complain that reference class hadn't ever had their py changed completely missing the point
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the riusk with attempting to make a measurement based system is that it   constrains form and  tends to encourage   distortions to  optimise rating -  we have seen this with measurement based systems for keelboats  and we have seen a lesser degree  of this with  development classes ( Baggy Bumps anyone ?) 
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Just comparing the 2015/2016 "Races" figure on the list. There seems to be a large reduction in numbers right across the board.

Anyone got any ideas on that?
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My Guess would be last summers weather, the number of races lost due to bad weather must be really high compared with the year before.
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Originally posted by transient

Just comparing the 2015/2016 "Races" figure on the list. There seems to be a large reduction in numbers right across the board.

Anyone got any ideas on that?

A good discussion point... Worthy of a better thread title?
 




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Originally posted by transient

Just comparing the 2015/2016 "Races" figure on the list. There seems to be a large reduction in numbers right across the board.

Anyone got any ideas on that?

It's impossible.  Many leading figures in sailing and the sailing industry have been assuring us for a few years that the modern era of hyper-performance boats would lead us to a new nirvana of booming public interest in which so many  new boats would hit the water that (if not for the fact that they will be foiling above the water) the sea level would rise by metres. Confused

If the fleets were dropping in the UK (as I think they have been doing in Oz over the last couple of years, after a period of apparent stability) then the hypesters would be wrong, and that couldn't happen could it?
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Originally posted by gordon1277

My Guess would be last summers weather, the number of races lost due to bad weather must be really high compared with the year before.

That's a fact just the windsurfers alone who are not normally as badly effected by weather due to being able to pump if it's light and not require rescue boat cover if its windy, saw the number of their races reduced by 59% last season.
I'm not sure how many dinghy races were lost they don't record their races in the same way as the windsurfers who normally have 4 races a night as against just the one dinghy race on their race evenings.

We also contributed our results to the PYOnline site for the first time.

My Other club Redoubt saw a reduction of numbers of Wednesday afternoon races as well, so it must be pretty significant.
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On an overall note I don't believe numbers are dropping per se, I can see recorded numbers at championship level being effected by the general lack of desire to travel on the bloody crowded roads, but if you ask around, the activity at a lot of individual club level has never been higher, in fact I wouldn't mind betting the number of handicap fleets is also quite high. I've no idea how popular it was in the past, judging by the number of you 'class racing or die' types there are I must assume not that great, but I think you have to accept for those of us that have known nothing else and actually prefer the freedom of boat choice it provides, until the activity is run by enthusiastic handicap racers rather than 'single class is best but we do this because it has to be done' types, it's never going to be as polished as it could.

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