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    Posted: 07 Mar 16 at 4:51pm

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Blimey - Must be a tough day at the grindstone to radiate such 'goodwill' in whatever organisation is blessed with your abundant enthusiasm.   You are sounding a right bundle of laughs today.  

If you ever make business decisions of value you will find not everything works in business - at least not at the first attempt. 

I've been extremely lucky to have been in the sort of roles where these kind of key decisions do get made for much of my career and across more than one sector.  You don’t always get things right, sometimes it is the wrong time, sometimes when partnering with other organisations things can fail, in fact loads of things can screw up.  They don’t always but nobody or any company ever succeeds in anything worth doing without taking  business risks.  Fortunately enough things do work out for some of us and it is then highly satisfying as well as being rewarding.  This has happens enough of the time to me to make the occasional setbacks very bearable I find.  

Setbacks should educate the future .. and are part of the business process that in time leads to better products and approaches.  Learning to deal with problems and challenging the previous assumptions rather that finger pointing, blame gaming, sulking or simply giving up is what we should all be doing.  This is one attitudinal area where US business is often so much better than you generally see in the UK – they get over ‘it’ more quickly, redefine their objectives and approach and get back ‘at it’ again.  They are taught or learn to expect and to deal with problems – in the UK while we can and do shine in some areas we still have a tendency to go all ‘British Leyland’ in others if you get me drift.

Quite possibly you missed out on the ‘golden years’ of BL – I suspect however you might have been right at home there….you do still have a Laser don’t you so maybe the right ‘retro’ instinct is a given for you.. ;-)     

BTW  I’m almost willing to bet good money you will still be in one when a future ‘Icon’ based project does succeed with its newest builder. 

Now can we please just get back to the Britiush Moth handicap ....

 

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Originally posted by Mark Jardine

GRFI've had enough of your PYAG group bashing. They are volunteers doing a job and the repetitiveness of your argument is mind-numbingly dull. Stop it. Now.Mark



Well until I see a list of who they are and their class affiliations, a complete transparency of their methodology and that they are routinely resigned/replaced to prevent corrupt activity then I'm not going to stop, here or on facebook. They are acting in my humble opinion contrary to the activity of most of us at grassroots level, I have yet to meet anyone who has a kind word to say about them, frankly if I were them rather than whining to you to get me to stop, they should resign.
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I don't know who else is on the PYAG, but I like the Chairman.  

He's an unassuming bloke who is an asset not only to our club, but the sport as a whole.   I don't agree with him on everything, but that's just mutual acceptance towards what each other prefer out of (competitive) sailing.   But I certainly don't for one minute question his integrity or authenticity to work to improve the racing he enjoys and makes possible for thousands of other people.

I have met you Graeme, therefore there you go... you've met someone who says a nice thing about them, well him at least.

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You've met me, I have kind words to say about them. I'm not alone.

Most sailors probably have no clue they exist, though, and simply take and use the numbers which they produce, week in, week out. Each year in the spring when they change there will either be nods or head shakes depending on whether the boat they sail has gone up and down, and Merlin sai!ors will mutter about "their" boat not having got any faster, but it will all settle down in a week or 2 and a season of handicap racing will commence.
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You know, the 2 people involved who stick their heads above the parapet are connected with 2 of the biggest losers on the lists this year, the 300 and the Cherub. If they are gerrymandering, they aren't doing it very well.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Steve411 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 16 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by Rupert

You know, the 2 people involved who stick their heads above the parapet are connected with 2 of the biggest losers on the lists this year, the 300 and the Cherub. If they are gerrymandering, they aren't doing it very well.
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As to why the Icon failed which it hasn't yet any more than the Alto or the X1 Xo has failed was because they changed horses mid race, for whatever reason the switch to and from Devoti was probably not a wise decision, but the single biggest problem was the deliberately punitive number given by the yardstick authority based on what must have been very dubious stats.

Now I seriously have no axe to grind with the Icon, I just hate to see, corruption in whatever form it takes ruining an activity that I'm enthusiastic about. Now wether you take the term corruption to mean something other than in its financial sense, or not, makes no difference (It is actually the data or software that must be corrupt). That there have been cases in the past and present of class protectionism is fact and borne out in lots of examples, so in this day and age, deliberately setting out to kill a boats chances of becoming a class, wether it is a battle between commercial organisations or actual class members or affiliates in the authority gifted with the job of creating a fair playing field, makes not a lot of difference to me, but the simple fact it is happening right there in front of us all is morally wrong.

Wether 'they' are volunteers or not, 'they' are not transparent and it may be a thankless onerous task which I'm sure hundreds will come and applaud, but my view remains that the job is not being done as well as it could be and I stand by that. Given it was also suggested to me that their hands are tied anyway, which also seems pretty pointless if they cannot over rule obviously corrupt data.

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Originally posted by Rupert

You know, the 2 people involved who stick their heads above the parapet are connected with 2 of the biggest losers on the lists this year, the 300 and the Cherub. If they are gerrymandering, they aren't doing it very well.


Do you know who the entire group are? Could you provide a list? And their classes? Could you show me the formula they use? Or the algorythms? Do you know wether or not they resign by rotation? How are they selected, do clubs offer members for selection?

I'm having a bad day today as you probably may have noticed and that laser twit wound me up, but those questions do need answering just the same.

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Originally posted by Cirrus

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Blimey - blah blah blah ...


Ok you have had a dig at me but still have not explained why it didn't work out. 

As I say I thought it looked quite a nice boat ... Perhaps I see now what went wrong. 
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algorythms? 

Is that Biggles' bestie? Tally Ho, what what! 
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