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Roger ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 23 Mar 04 Location: Somerset Online Status: Offline Posts: 524 |
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To be honest for that money your unlikely to find an MPS, they do hold their value pretty well though, so if you were able to stretch yourself financially then you probably wont loose much.
If you went for a Contender first then it seems there are boats with carbon rigs available for that sort of money. |
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Buying the boat is just the start of the costs ... Think about running costs and residuals; are you buying into an active and busy class or one that is in decline? Whilst you, of course, have to be able to find the money to buy the boat be mindful of how much you will get when the time comes to sell it. If a certain class has strong residuals then people want them and you will be able to sell your boat well. If boats can be had dirt cheap that usually means that the class is dead and no-one wants them and you may well find you lose money trying to unload your dodo ... ... also get an insurance quote from the Noble website before you buy ...
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rich96 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 20 Jan 05 Online Status: Offline Posts: 596 |
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For £3000 you'd get the best RS600 going
Don't discount the 600 - at your size and weight, inland, it would be great Its the only boat I had that actually made me want just to go sailing regardless of whether there was racing or not Sure its tricky but it can be awesome too |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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It depends where you sail inland. I wouldn't worry about the 600 not having a class association if you are racing at club level.
They are truly rewarding boats and a great test of boathandling. Once mastered everything else will feel easy. I would only go for a 700 or MPS if you are at one of the bigger lakes. Running costs on a 700 or MPS are higher due to the extra rope and kite. If you are on a good size pond then either will give you a great experience. Both have pros and cons and arguably the MPS is slightly more refined but costs a lot more. |
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andymck ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 15 Dec 06 Location: Stamford Online Status: Offline Posts: 397 |
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MPS will go down wind quite happily without kite. Stenhouse rarely puts his up getting to a windy start line. See report from the Tiger. I think the B14 one. This was also the advice he gave me on my third MPS sail when it was blowing old boots at the Rutland open.
There are plenty of idiosyncracies you would need to learn, but you can leave kite for a bit. Though you will want to as it is as quick as is laser slow without. |
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Dignhysailor ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 25 Feb 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 31 |
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That's why I thought of the 600 in the first place, the lakes around me aren't the biggest so possibly I'm wrong to even think of a boat with a lot - budget is also a key issue! If I was going to buy a 600 what should I look for (ie wings wise,common faults etc)? |
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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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Biggest issue on 600s is the back of the daggerboard case, foil and the kicker U-bolt.
Daggerboard case and foils are easy fixes, kicker u-bolt is a bigger job. If there is any play in the kicker U-bolt it suggests that the ply backer has got soft. If there isnt a hatch in the back of the bulkhead then it hasnt been repaired before. If there is a hatch then it has but at least future repairs wont be as costly. Make sure that the mast has been looked after. If the previous owner has let the varnish peel and has left it like that for several years then you run the risk of UV induced fatigue and a folding black stick, so make sure its been cared for. I suspect that all boats now have the superspar mast. If its an Angel mast be careful that the reinforcements havent blown the composite. Dont be fooled by people trying to sell a poor boat that has loads of trick take up systems. The original out of the box rope systems all worked perfectly fine and consume less rope. Sails are pretty long lasting but bolt ropes tear away infront of the batten pockets for a past-time (the joy of a fully battened rig). Its not a big fix and most sail lofts can repair it with a decent kevlar reinforced cloth for a small amount of cash. Halyard cleats tend to wear. Many boats runs two cleats just to make sure. Some have opted for 2:1 halyards to reduce the load in the cleat, but the original kevlar 1:1 approach is fine as long as you regularly move the knot and cleat point in the rope. Pro-grip has a tendancy to unpeel with time and a lot of people decided to lavish the cockpit with it. As a result some cockpits look messy where the pro-grip has gone but left evostik residue everywhere. There are also some who chose to cover their boats with sex wax which again makes it look messy. To be honest you only need pro-grip on the wingbars. Make sure you get a boat with the right wing width. In the good old days it was easy to find swaps but thats less likely now so make sure you get a boat with the right setup. I think its upto 74kg wide wings, 74-80kg either, 80kg+ narrow, but I may be wrong. Best to check the user guide or talk to Anthony York (Chunky) at Northampton as he is the class expert. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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Also think about what is sailed near you, or what offers opportunities to sail with others of the same class, class coaching etc.
For similar money, you could be looking at an entry level RS800, which IMHO is more accessible and a lot of fun. |
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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Just be aware you may struggle to sell a 600 again and may drop a bit of money on it to move on.
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2547 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 11 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1151 |
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Good advice there ....the 600 isn't really a class as such anymore, as there is no active association. It is a design. You may struggle to sell when you realise you want some proper racing.
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