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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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The boats you list are the ones I was thinking of, which compared to the longer, larger boats heavy people can sail are slow. The Fire may well be an exception, but not everyone likes wings sticking so far out the side to provide righting moment. Still rather more user friendly than he Int Moth, though.
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Jeepers ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 26 May 11 Location: Hamphire Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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Are there any other clubs apart from burfield where you can race against Fires. Opens? Nationals? Dare I say it, Worlds?
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Jeepers ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 26 May 11 Location: Hamphire Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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To answer my own question. No. Just Cirrus sailboats hijacking a thread to promote its own interests. The thread is about Hadron H2.
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Cirrus ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 29 Oct 15 Location: UK Online Status: Offline Posts: 590 |
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Jeepers ....
I'm sure the questioner can make up their own mind .... they did pose the question after all as to what was available. As is already rather well known my commercial interests in this arena are coming to an end and I wish Hartley Boats very well for the future. But in the interests of addressing your own current queries - 1) Yes (it would be hard to keep 30+ boats are Burghfield without being found out) 2) Yes .... and 3) No ! (well not yet) Is there anything that offends your sensibilities in a 'regular punter' making the odd contribution here or are permissions required ? .... and just for the record I also rather like the look of Hadron myself already having sailed at Brighlingsea on a couple of occasions when testing was underway ... they are produced in the same factory where all Blazes etc have been produced in recent years so difficult to not know a bit more than most about it at this stage than most ... ![]() Edited by Cirrus - 14 Feb 16 at 11:43pm |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Nope, just saw it as Cirrus answering a question. Of course, Zero and Aero sailors could also have jumped in and pointed out that their boats also do the job and are faster than the traditional ones.
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Jeepers ![]() Posting king ![]() Joined: 26 May 11 Location: Hamphire Online Status: Offline Posts: 147 |
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OK, fair points. I shall gracefully back off
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guesswho ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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Gentlemen gentlemen, I have no commercial interest in the Hadron H2, however I do own Hadron 21 as displayed at 2014 RYA Dinghy Show and on Keith's website. I have sailed and owned any number of single and doublehanders in my 60+ years and I can honestly say if Keith hadn't designed the Hadron in the first instance and Simon hadn't built it for me, I was going to give up sailing. My boat is of epoxied wood construction with carbon spars and is quite one of the nicest most comfortable dinghies I have sailed. I can whole heartedly recommend this dinghy to all as given a little thought with the rig controls it can be powered up and down to suit a wide range of weights and sizes. I am looking forward to seeing H2 at the Dinghy Show though.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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The pertinent question that needs asking, is what size is the sail, boats themselves by and large don't determine the size of the helm, it's the rig and more importantly wether the damn thing can be sufficiently depowered.
My logic was always, it didn't really matter, because most of the dinghy things I had observed was that if it's that windy they don't race anyway. Now of late that has proven not to be true, even found myself breaking every rule I set 20 years ago now about not going out in sub 10 degrees in wind exceeding 10 knots for fear of getting those infernal hot hurts that agonise those of us that have to hold the sail up by the boom when racing. But I'm now lucky enough to have a boat with a rig that does depower sufficient that I can get round in fair order in a biting cold nasty squally race, and that's what I now look for in a boat. That and of course it truly being capable of my hauling it into and out of the water and if it's anything like yesterday with almost the entire boat park underwater in slippy slimy mud, just getting enough traction to haul it around. These are the real world problems, it's one thing handling the bloody things on the water, but hauling their nasty arses around boat parks and up slipways and that was what ruled that H2 out for me when i first set eyes on it, nice enough that it might be in other departments, it looked like a big old monster rig and it was most certainly a monster of a boat for one person to haul about. Having said all that there are plenty of bigger younger and stronger blokes about, I'd say it will make a good chariot for the disaffected Phantomeer, until such times as the b**tards on the PYAG take a dislike to it. Edited by iGRF - 15 Feb 16 at 10:23am |
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guesswho ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Apr 15 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 12 |
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Dear me iGRF, My dinghy park seems like yours, wet ,grassy and muddy, the Hadron and H2 are both light boats and I can move mine around in the said boat park with ease. That was also one of my criteria, ease of onshore handling. Single handers by my definition shouldn't need a team to move them around off water. The sail on mine is near 10sq. m. the H2 is slightly smaller, but by use of sail controls can be de powered and the carbon mast deflects nicely to allow the same. The video shot by Keith on You tube showing H2's first sail shows its handling ease. The H2 could be sailed competitively in a biting nasty cold squally race, particularly with the helm wearing adequate kit. I can honestly say H2 is not a monster boat or has a monster rig. That again was another of Keiths aims to keep weight down to make the boat usable by as many as possible. Looks can be and are deceiving.
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iGRF ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6499 |
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It used to be possible to embed a you tube video, but I can't remember exactly the code.. Any way here's that video of the launch, big fat head sail puts me off it has to be said but other than that, it looks a super boat.
So that big gap is where the video should be, try cllcking the blue link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqOodLTg5M Edit, got it sorted.. Edited by iGRF - 15 Feb 16 at 12:09pm |
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