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    Posted: 30 Nov 15 at 1:03pm
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An unbelievably nasty and stupid thing to do. I find it incredible that someone could be so lacking in decency that they would steal from their friends.
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I suspect that as often as not it doesn't start like that. There's maybe some major temporary money problem and someone borrows a bit just for a week, or maybe some supposed money making opportunity and you use the clubs money and intend to put it back with a bit extra. But as the proverb goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions and somehow someone who didn't start off as a bad person ends up doing very bad things.

But it demonstrates why,even though its all a hassle to organise, its a very good idea for a club (or other organisation) to have all the controls in place *and followed*. If the controls had been in place so this chap couldn't have had such unmonitored access to significant sums of money maybe he'd never have started on the slippery slope, and everyone would be better off, him included.

So think about your club. Does only one person get the bank statements and check them? Does one person sign a book full of blank cheques to save trouble for the other signatory? Friends shouldn't put friends in a position where its easy to be tempted to do the wrong thing.
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JimC - a good post. I hope that you are correct, but only a inherently dishonest person would have done this. It is stealing. Hopefully a stay in the "Big House" for this miscreant will be enough to deter others.
Lets hope CVLSC gets their money back.


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I'd like to believe that JimC's first paragraph is near the mark but I am inclined to think not.
However, I do wonder what the club's auditors were doing all these years? 
It's a big chunk of money. 

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However, I do wonder what the club's auditors were doing all these years?

Reading between the lines it appears that the individual concerned had sole control and access to the club savings account, with almost all their assets in, for years without any other officer, or the auditors, looking at a statement. If that's right, and I find it hard to see how else this could have happened, it's utterly staggering. Of course the fraudster is the one to blame, but it seems remarkable that it could have happened. If they had a paid external auditor then professional misconduct must be possible, but what were the officers doing? When I was a Club Secretary I always made sure bank statements came to the club and not to personal addresses, and I opened them. Not primarily because I doubted the honesty of the treasurer, which I certainly didn't, but I wanted to keep an eye on general expenditure, and because it's essential good practice to ensure that more than one person is regularly looking at that sort of paperwork.
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Originally posted by Pierre

I'd like to believe that JimC's first paragraph is near the mark but I am inclined to think not.
However, I do wonder what the club's auditors were doing all these years? 
It's a big chunk of money. 


Unfortunately an audited accounts presented at an AGM is only going to be any "good" if, among the members, there are accountants willing to go through those accounts and raise questions/objections supported by other members.  A signature is not a cast iron guarantee of fiscal propriety.
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It was an old fashioned passbook account and I believe he forged the passbook. So presumably the other officers and auditors were shown a passbook that looked full of money even as the account was sitting empty. It appears to be systematic fraud over a number of years, not dipping a hand in a till as the opportunity arose.

I don't want to speculate though, so will stop there.
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It was an old fashioned passbook account and I believe he forged the passbook. So presumably the other officers and auditors were shown a passbook that looked full of money even as the account was sitting empty.

Thanks for that clarification. It does explain a fair bit, and provides lessons for any of us involved in the safekeeping of the cash assets of any club or organisation, sailing or otherwise. One of which must be having a single individual apparently being solely responsible for account handling and transactions for a number of years. Where I've been involved in such situations we've always had accounts that needed two signatures to access, even though that has placed limits on the accounts available (online accounts are generally out).
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