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    Posted: 29 Oct 15 at 10:26pm
To be fair the OP was only asking what modern 2 person symmetric dinghies are out there ... 
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Originally posted by iiiiitick

Would a light, wide, small rig boat not have other problems? Incidentally I saw a caravan being reversed into a driveway by remote control. It had an electric motor fixed to the jockey wheel. Sit on the prom and the boat drives up on it's own.
I wish people would stop being pointlessly rude.


Doesn't really have to be very wide to be stable, just well designed. But do we have a Jack Holt around these days?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iiiiitick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 15 at 8:57pm
You know I think we are all fairly well catered for. I usually sail my Lightning which is a bit stodgy but fun. If I feel young and skittish I can always borrow a Byte. My Tasar is sitting there if I feel classically minded and there are club GP's, Ents, and Grads to nick. Under a grand pulls in an old penultimate I14 if I develop suicidal tendencies and Fireballs are cheap. Do we really need any more? If you are a hot shot sailor then you want to win whatever you sail...and you will.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Oct 15 at 8:04pm
In defence of the Tasar, of which I have no personal interest ... They are very stable as they are IMO, also if you can track down old Tasars I don't think that they are that expensive and are suitable boats for refurbing ... Especially if you can track down the Kevlar boats.

Frank may have been a one trick pony ... But it was a pretty good trick!

I think the Tasar was far too ahead of the game, people were waiting for a two man Laser, but got something far too sophisticated, I think a lot of us were put off because they had a pay the same as a Fireball, which was something hard to get your head around.

It is worth reflecting that Antipodean boats seem to be developed for steady winds in open waters, hence having different rigs on 18's, even had diferent rigs on their 14s in the eighties, and maybe Scow Moths, whereas the UK are very good at boats that change gears across the range, which maybe why Bethwaite boats find it difficult to gain traction in the mass UK market


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So any news on the Rondar 'Icon'

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So any news on the Rondar 'Icon'.
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Or maybe the bandit Merlin GRF always talks about has been cheeky with the corrector weights....I suspect not mind, its probably his age playing tricks with him!
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Mike

You are correct. 98kg for the Merlin - this does not include the rudder but does include the centreboard and all rig string and pulleys excluding the shrouds, mast, boom and spinnaker poles.

While many recent boats have carbon fibre decks and front buoyancy tanks, all will have correctors to bring them up to the minimum weight. Typically a modern Winder will have 15-20kg of correctors. As these are placed around the centreboard, it makes the ends lighter and this may well be what iGRF is experiencing.

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Point of information

The Merlin has I believe a MINIMUM class weight of 98kg without rig and possibly its rudder as well.  Icon has always had a target production hull weight of 75kg.   I know nothing of the hull  GRF appears to have access to, but I simply cannot believe it is heavier than any Merlin one ... it should of course be many many kg's lighter.   The original Icon hulls were all vinylester so should have no water take-up problems either - so it might just be worth weighing it ! .... and the Merlin  Wink

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Originally posted by SUGmeister

...I can't help thinking that the developers of the X1 Riverboat missed a trick...

Dunno. I can see a niche for a modern confined water boat. Not a very big niche, but maybe it doesn't need to be if no-one is planning to get rich on it. The Raters have gone on for over a hundred years with out getting much above 20 boats active at a time. If it serves a purpose that's fine.

Frankly what I don't see is a place for a fast modern pole kite boat. A modern fast boat has no use for a pole kite, with the possible exception of something sailed exclusively on very confined waters, in which case...

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