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    Posted: 23 Oct 15 at 10:10pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by jeffers


What are the modern Merlins like to hike for the crew? ]


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How much have you sailed the latest frp boats?
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Y'all need to MTFU with the 'M' standing for 'Modern' and try an Alto. Ticks all those boxes

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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by jeffers


What are the modern Merlins like to hike for the crew? ]


A nightmare

How much have you sailed the latest frp boats?


Enough to know there are lots of easier boats in the world, but, if you've dedicated the time, then it's really rewarding when you get it right and there is never a dull moment. However the emphasis is on that word... time.
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Most of the best things in life require an investment of time
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JohnJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 15 at 9:07am
I am an Electronics Engineer, I am sure I could design and build some sort of auto pilot for a dinghy so iGRF could just input the course before the race to make it 'easier' to sail. I could also program it to tack on headers look for shifts, automatically set trim and sail shape etc etc and do all the other race management. In fact get a fleet of these and you wouldn't even have to go out into the cold, you could just send them out and watch while sipping earl grey in the refines of the clubs viewing gallery. Modern enough??
Personally I find if something requires a bit of effort, time, skill to achieve the reward is far greater.
Hence why I sail a boat that rewards that. (there is a slight irony to saying 'modern' boats, it doesn't do that much differently to what 'boats' have been doing for a thousand years or two) 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 15 at 5:41pm
Well I subscribe to the view that the joy is in the race, dealing with the shifts, the tactics, the opponents and their decisions, all the 'out of the boat' stuff, and to further back that opinion one only has to point to dear old Eric Twiname who points out the two essential skills, the first being the ability to bring the boat to maximum speed but the second being to send it in the right direction.

Now, I've been as kind as I'm going to, to you alcohol addled coffin dodgers in your merlins, but since I do not wish to spend the rest of my life working out which bit of knitting to unravel nor which window sash to pull, nor self baler to switch on and/or off, or nodger to duck and prefer to spend the few remaining conscious hours working out how, when and where to go, rather than how, whether or why the ancient crate won't do what it is supposed to. My opinion that's all, I do tip my hat to your accomplishments however, much in the same way I admire the Wright Brothers, but hey it's twenty fifteen, with twenty sixteen just around the corner and by now there should be something better. Light, fast, modern and quicker to bring to speed so the dodgy old cretins don't keep new blood out of the trophy room, and can spend more of their time at the bottom of that bottle looking for the perfect raking angle.

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.....well... I have had time to look at these Aero things now. Do they not meet your criteria?

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Not double handers tick, if they made a twin it would I'm sure.

But would I buy one? No, the reason? Crew difficulties.

If I were RS would I invest in tooling? Nope, not a chance.

If I were them, I'd make the RS400 super light, piss off all the owners and make them buy a new one.

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Originally posted by iGRF

Not double handers tick, if they made a twin it would I'm sure.

But would I buy one? No, the reason? Crew difficulties.

If I were RS would I invest in tooling? Nope, not a chance.

If I were them, I'd make the RS400 super light, piss off all the owners and make them buy a new one.


Given that boats will always be boats....gradual improvements on the original idea.....and that outlandish ground breaking ideas seldom break ground (you have experience of that) why not the Icon? It looks sexy, goes quite fast, light and simple.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Oct 15 at 11:13pm
By grf's criteria, an old design is just as good as a new design, possibly better, as faster can only be achieved by making a dinghy trickier to sail in some other way. This is probably why there are no new symmetric designs.
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