Anyone with Noble Marine?

   As the man said: if you can't tie the boat down don't leave the mast up. 

But I imagine that cover could be negotiated for boats that aren't tied down, but it needs to be a bigger premium. And if all insurance included boats that weren't secured then we'd all pay bigger premiums.

There are always choices. Remember its not that you can't insure the boat, simply that you aren't insured against storm damage. If that doesn't suit you, well, maybe you need to find another club. 

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JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Anyone with Noble Marine? Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 8:35pm
	As the man said: if you can't tie the boat down don't leave the mast up. But I imagine that cover could be negotiated for boats that aren't tied down, but it needs to be a bigger premium. And if all insurance included boats that weren't secured then we'd all pay bigger premiums. There are always choices. Remember its not that you can't insure the boat, simply that you aren't insured against storm damage. If that doesn't suit you, well, maybe you need to find another club.

Rupert Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956	Post Options Post Reply Quote Rupert Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 24 Sep 15 at 9:57pm
	I've seen plenty of Lasers blown around. Mast down isn't a solution, even if better than up. Dialogue surely better than either having partial insurance or having to move clubs, especially when the solutions are pretty simple.
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piglet Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 04 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514	Post Options Post Reply Quote piglet Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 9:31am
	The water utility companies are fullfilling their brief by allowing recreational activity to take place, but in truth they would probably rather they didn't have to. I doubt our insurance woes are any concern of theirs. The long, heavy chain idea should work if permission were granted to anchor each end, at least all the boats would be tied together and would therefore move together. But this would require investment by the clubs. Many people/committees might say 'never had a problem in the past so why spend the money'. My summer club had an old Skipper as a kids play boat partially dug in, no mast. One winter it cartwheeled across the carpark to the fence without hitting anything. Skippers are not lighweight racing machines either. Edited by piglet - 25 Sep 15 at 9:32am

kneewrecker Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586	Post Options Post Reply Quote kneewrecker Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 11:27am
	someone needs to think laterally about this... why not see if you can source some scaffold poles or a piece of railway track. Everyone ties their trolley down to it about 2 or 3 foot into the A-Frame and then ensures their boat is secured to their trolley across the beam and at the bow- the collective weight of the boats. trollies (and maybe even a concrete bucket at each end of the track/pole) is enough to stop the whole lot blowing over. Edited by kneewrecker - 25 Sep 15 at 11:28am

piglet Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 04 Jan 07 Online Status: Offline Posts: 514	Post Options Post Reply Quote piglet Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 12:49pm
	You wouldn't move track rails. If they were placed on bricks as sleepers so that everyone could pass their ropes under. What are worn out rails worth? plus the delivery with a Hiab to get them all in place. Like the thinking though.

kneewrecker Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 09 Apr 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 1586	Post Options Post Reply Quote kneewrecker Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 1:29pm
	scaffolding poles and couplings probably easier sourced admittedly, but who knows... I guess you'd have to be careful that scumbags don't pinch it for scrap, maybe bike locking the boats would also add another layer of security, or at least 'hassle factor' for the would-be opportunist thief. Thinking about it, you could even make a grid out of scaffold poles so each boat has a unique slot. OK... it would cost money (dinghy sailors don't like that), but the added security and compliance with insurance would surely make it worth considering. Budget wise - you're looking at about £30 a berth http://www.scaffolding-direct.co.uk/13-foot-used-scaffolding-tube-4mm-x-48-3mm/ Edited by kneewrecker - 25 Sep 15 at 1:34pm

Jamesd Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Far too distracted from work Joined: 01 Feb 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 377	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jamesd Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 3:33pm
	tie it to the boat either side of you. get them to tie theirs to yours. hey presto job done! Also has the added benefit that if it doesn't work, you are not the only one sat in the bar watching the next Wednesday evening race.

drifter Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Posting king Joined: 09 Jun 08 Location: Oxfordshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 177	Post Options Post Reply Quote drifter Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 8:18pm
	Scrap rail is always worth something to the thieving fraternity-just ask Network Rail how much they lose. Plus, you want a system that doesn't depend on the guy next to you tying down properly; damage is just as likely from someone less careful than yourself. I'm surprised nobody from the insurance industry hasn't been on to give their take on what is acceptable. A reasonable attempt to avoid loss would be chain in concrete either side, or Rawlbolts in the concrete IMO
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Pastyman Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Newbie Joined: 06 Dec 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 30	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pastyman Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 9:25pm
	So what happens at open meetings , most clubs do not have additional facilities for visiting boats to be tied down, therefore insurance invalid .......Best not travel anymore

JimC Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662	Post Options Post Reply Quote JimC Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 25 Sep 15 at 9:47pm
	Brings back memories of being woken up at 3 in the morning at Kielder Reservoir by a gathering storm, repositioning the boat on the best possible alignment, taking all precautions. If you make sure your boat doesn't get blown over or otherwise damaged you don't have a problem.