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    Posted: 16 Jul 15 at 7:09pm
Gordon I agree with what you've said. I have similar issues:

Being able to change the rig shape the camber, twist and trim and understanding when and why is important and makes the whole thing more fun.

After years of sailing and vaguely guessing at the whys and wherefores I stumbled across Frank Bethwaites last book "Fast handling tchniques". This is the only book I have read so far that l can understand and that explains everything.

Maybe your instructors need to educate themselves?
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I have this argument with the club instructors who dont seem to understand that having more purchase and things that work properly would make life easier for the trainees. When I bought 4 Toppers which were all race boats with multipurchase downhauls, kickers etc they promplty took them back to very basic and seem to have lost the purchases for when someone wants to race a boat.
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Originally posted by zippyRN

- we all seen them  people who have a bad experiuenceo f dsailing because they  use blown out sails on a poorly set up rig ... 
 
Here Here, I had the opportunity to hop into a young lads Topper for the allcomers race at KSSA.
It had got breezy and the lad couldn't cope. Well the boat itself was sound but had original controls & a baggy sail. The best I could manage upwind was a close reach with the board 3/4 up, I was flat hiked & at no time could I get the tiller anywhere near centre line.
I talked to the Dad after but got the normal 'he's just starting out' thing, I'm not being critical because I have been there myself but the young lad is more likely to stick at it if his boat works.
So,
Yes, the skinny bits of string are an essential part but also they must work effectively.
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Originally posted by craiggo

Originally posted by giwy1

what the heck are all those little skinny ropes for at the front :) I'm guessing they trim the sail so mainly used for racing so I guess most of the time I can ignore them as I just want to dart around for now.... Or are they for something else????


This is a common misconception for newbies and cruiser sailors. Those bits of string are not just for racing, they are standard sail adjustments to make your sailing experience easier. The quicker you learn how to effectively use them the more fun you will have and the easier your sailing will be. Their use applies to every boat ever made even very sedate boats. What often appears as lots of string is simply convinient systems to allow you to adjust the kicker, cunningham, and outhaul from either side of the boat. These sail controls exist or at least should exist in a basic fashion even on club gulls, wanderers and Wayfarers.
Welcome to the technical sport that is sailing.

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abso-flippin'-lutely - we all seen them  people who have a bad experiuenceo f dsailing because they  use blown out sails on a poorly set up rig ... 
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For me the choice would depend on the slipway, Nice solid shallow easy to use, then go for a Wayfarer. They make good easy single handers. They sail well with the main only and the board half up as long as you only sheet to the transom corner.  Ours is on a mooring so no issue. Make sure it's got reef points as rolling the sail around the boom is a pain.  A set of sails from a 12ft dinghy works well for rough days.

If you have a rubbish slip then weight is critical so for a wayfarer you would have to invest in a really top notch trolley or if you can't afford one get an Albacore or GP with a small set of sails. The GP goes well with the main only as well and are cheap and easy to find. Get a GRP one.
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So looking at everyone's responses, the L2 is a no no for me for various reasons.

I think in the long term it's probably best to have a single handler for just me when I want to go out on my own and double if I want to take anyone out.

So if I have got everything right:

Single Hander Choices:
RS Vareo
Phantom
Wanderer (shortened Wayfarer)
Sport14
GP14

Double hander
Albacore
Wayfarer

Correct?
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Re Inversion.

Years ago I tried a 9 litre masthead float on a Laser 2.....it slowed the inversion down by about 4 seconds.

Unless you can get straight on the dagger board L2's invert. 
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Originally posted by rich96

Originally posted by Peaky

I think a cats a good call, could go to a Dart 18. If you get in to it, a Hurricane 5.9 is an awful lot of fun for the buck.


After 6 months of sailing a Hurricane is not a sensible suggestion

That's why I said "if you get in to it"...
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Originally posted by piglet

Wanderer (shortened Wayfarer) or Sport14, plenty of them around, cheap enough and should carry both of you whilst being manageable when on your own.
L2 might be OK on you own, yes a Phantom would be better but no cheap GRP Phantoms around.


There are cheap GRP Phants around - just not the later epoxy ones
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Originally posted by Peaky

I think a cats a good call, could go to a Dart 18. If you get in to it, a Hurricane 5.9 is an awful lot of fun for the buck.


After 6 months of sailing a Hurricane is not a sensible suggestion
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