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    Posted: 07 Jun 15 at 10:59pm
Supernova is a great boat, particularly if you can find an epoxy one. I had two and there is no problem with pointing. People jump in complain they don't point, but sail them correctly i.e dead flat and slightly free because of the battened sail and you can climb over a laser. 20ish points faster than a laser and good fun. 
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Just a quick post to say thanks for all the responses. I bought a Solution in the end, and after 5 outings, i can say i'm very happy with it. I'm sure with the handicap i'm going to be even further down the pecking-order when racing,  but I'm having so much more fun sailing it, i don't really care. Anyway, thanks all for your input. All the best.
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Good Choice, and don't be too despondent, the handicap is quite fair imv, (I'm getting the bandit accusations already)what other stuff are you sailing against? I'm finding it very close to the speed of a Laser which funnily enough is now what the handicap suggests, so if you sail it well you can beat them if you don't then they'll beat you. Upwind you have to work very hard and they don't necessarily have to work as hard, offwind on a tight reach you are marginally faster, on a broad reach is pretty much even steven and on a dead run if they can run by the lee they'll have you. So a really aggressively sailed laser I've yet to beat, but normal humans that make mistakes can be, simply because it's an easier boat to sail I think and it gets going off the line a bit quicker, at least that's how I've managed it so far, and good starts are everything in close racing.
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Surely those speed comparisons must change with windspeed and sailing water (sea vs lake), WB?
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Well the couple of times I used it on the lake against the guy in the Laser who normally will give me a good shoeing unless i sail error free it was a close run thing, but I have managed to beat him. Out on the sea where it's been quite breezy I got beaten by a well sailed laser first time, (he wasn't there) but the times since in light to medium conditions I've managed to extend the lead, in fact other than the time I quite literally chucked myself out of the boat, he hasn't managed to get back past me which he does frequently down the pond.

I wonder how much of it is me and how much is the boat, there is a much younger and more aggressive pro guy from the local seasports club, now we have only met twice once when it was really windy and the other time when I beat him to the first mark but got screwed by some starboard fast fleet arriving at the same time, then I had the chucking myself out incident, but I certainly wasn't catching him on the reach once he got past.

We've now reverted to the slow handicap going on the five (of a ten five four sequence) so we're not getting the bloody fast fleet screwing us around til much later in the race, but he hasn't shown up, if we get to sail even steven off the same line then I'll know, there is also the question of age, (of the boat) there is one quite well sorted newish laser that I couldn't completely shake last thursday and my guess is his will be up to the moment, that also makes a difference at this level with the boat speeds being so close. Mine is also quite an old boat and the sail although not proper shagged it's not new by a long chalk, another factor.
Oh and another thing, none of them are quite as efficient at pumping and wave 'snaking' which the ex windsurfing skill assists, they lose a bit if that is working for me which again it doesn't on the lake and is not allowed, there are no waves. This little boat does come unstuck but it takes considerable I'd say Herculean but better use Ainsliean effort as a descriptor, but I've got better style than him. Wink



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sounds a bit odd "the slow handicap going on the five (of a ten, five, four sequence)" surely if the fast handicap start just four minutes behind you, you get them coming through you during the race? I would have thought the better solution was to have the fast go off first, then the medium/slow
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We go on their five, so five minutes, some nights only three get by, other nights a few more, depends on the wind, but we do at least get clear room to manouvre in those crucial stages round the first mark without some badly sailed fast fleeter buggering you about with a starboard call having over stood by miles.
Last time we let the tail enders start with us, it gives them a chance to see what it's like to sail in clear air, but that can also be a near disaster, if they screw up the gybe and occupy the water you'd worked hard to get the inside line on a competitor.

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Originally posted by getafix

sounds a bit odd "the slow handicap going on the five (of a ten, five, four sequence)" surely if the fast handicap start just four minutes behind you, you get them coming through you during the race? I would have thought the better solution was to have the fast go off first, then the medium/slow

nope- it's imperative to deny all logic and ensure a maximum disturbance in the Force when administrating handicap racing- this then adds to the cocktail of frustration provided enabling maximum whinge value when sat in front of the computer trying to locate the results on Monday morning. 
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Originally posted by Woodburner

We go on their five, so five minutes, some nights only three get by, other nights a few more, depends on the wind, but we do at least get clear room to manouvre in those crucial stages round the first mark without some badly sailed fast fleeter buggering you about with a starboard call having over stood by miles.
Last time we let the tail enders start with us, it gives them a chance to see what it's like to sail in clear air, but that can also be a near disaster, if they screw up the gybe and occupy the water you'd worked hard to get the inside line on a competitor.



OK, each to their own.  Sounds like you don't have that large a fast fleet.  I'd imagined great hords of 505s and Fireballs screaming past you on the first reach, or even piling in to the windward mark and sailing over the top of y'all but if it's the odd MR or RS400 then that's OK
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Originally posted by kneewrecker

Originally posted by getafix

sounds a bit odd "the slow handicap going on the five (of a ten, five, four sequence)" surely if the fast handicap start just four minutes behind you, you get them coming through you during the race? I would have thought the better solution was to have the fast go off first, then the medium/slow

nope- it's imperative to deny all logic and ensure a maximum disturbance in the Force when administrating handicap racing- this then adds to the cocktail of frustration provided enabling maximum whinge value when sat in front of the computer trying to locate the results on Monday morning. 


Well I know you're no fan of the handicap arts, however, a bit of variety can be a good thing.  I would never have hankered after i14 sailing had I not witnessed them lapping me in my Topper while a wee nipper, nor would I have ever laughed my a$$ off at being luffed by an overly aggressive Laser while overtaking them in a Fireball.... for the second time in two laps!  That was many years ago and the race officer lost our progress in a black-out cornish storm and counted us doing one less lap than we thought we had....no logging in to check your results then, but hilarious in all the conversations that went on along the lines of "well I thought we passed you at least once", "you could have, think I was probably upside-down at that marks each time" by the results board the next day
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