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    Posted: 24 Jun 15 at 11:30pm
I'd tend to agree with Matt given what I see at local clubs. There has definitely been a shift away from travellers circuits and members seem to want more social sailing rather than racing, with chilled out evenings with the kids splashing around in oppies and toppers, the odd die hard out practising his manoeuvres while the rest have a cheeky beer and a BBQ. It's not my bag being a through and through dinghy racer but it seems popular, and as I get older and my kids grow up it does appeal more!

I am intrigued by the idea of a sailing club with a pool. What's wrong with the lake/sea?
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Gosh, which club has a pool?
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Originally posted by limey

Theres no reason why young sailors can't be subsidised . Find it amazing that people will happily pay 10 - 15+ K for a new dinghy and then begrudge a fraction of that to have somewhere nice to sail. 10 pounds a week for membership  and boat space is excessive ; really !!!!!!! I think you only have to look at the average weekly attendance at most sailing clubs to see it aint working at the moment. Carry on and Bewl will be the first of many 

So do you have access to comprehensive stats?  At one of my clubs membership is rising.  The other is at its limit.  And so is participation.  One is cheap as chips but in a lovely spot with all tide and good quality racing.  The other has much higher production values and is as close to the Country Club as I would ever want to get (has a pool....).

Perhaps overall particpation/membership isn't dipping hard?  Just moving.  Although I reckon we're about to lose a significant proportion of 1100 sailors from Kent to the BVSC demise.
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I think that the problem with many sailing clubs model is that the subs are set at a level to achieve breakeven or a marginal profit.  Also your typical racing dinghy sailor is an optimist.  And we all want our clubs to be inclusive and not to see potential competitors leave the club due to high subs.  This all conspires to leave clubs very exposed to any variance to forecast income or expenditure.  In the case of Bewl, at the rent level (let alone rates) I am amazed they have survived so long.
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Jim , i think you are missing the point. You are right most people can't afford 10-15K on a new boat but I'm sure 10 a week club membership isn't beyond the average person. I would hardly call that the domain of the fat cat. , Sailing clubs won't survive unless they start turning losses into profit .Alternatively we can all bury our heads in the sand, complain about the cost of sailing,continue as we have for years with little or no evolution in the way our clubs are run and watch the sport die !!
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Like Jim, I know of very few people able to spend 10k or more on a boat. If I look at the two clubs I'm involved with there are only 4 or 5 brand new boats across some 600 memberships And those boats were around 6k. I would say most boats in the dinghy compound and out on the water are in the £500-2500 range. Both clubs have pretty stable membership numbers and membership fees sub £100 and a good deal of volunteer members organising training, socials, maintenance etc.
I have family members who are or have been members of clubs in the mould of what Limey recommends and interestingly all of those clubs have in recent years lost members and become increasingly about supplying the local well off retirees with somewhere to dine. The soul has been ripped out of them and the few remaining boats littering the shore are simply a reminder of what the club used to be about.
There are alternatives to the commercialisation of leisure time and they offer a far more rewarding and enjoyable experience.

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Not many people at my club pay 10-15K for a new dinghy, happily or otherwise. I reckon there's a fair number for whom the membership is a significant part of their total sailing expenditure each year.

Its all very well for the executive class who have their snouts in the trough and have been busily enriching themselves at the expense of the rest of us the last few years, but there are many sailing clubs where a substantial portion of the membership are ordinary middle class folk out of the executive bracket or pensioners, and things aren't quite so easy for them. Not many clubs would survive if they lost say 20% of their membership who aren't on inflated executive salaries and aren't able to spend 10-15K on new boats...

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Theres no reason why young sailors can't be subsidised . Find it amazing that people will happily pay 10 - 15+ K for a new dinghy and then begrudge a fraction of that to have somewhere nice to sail. 10 pounds a week for membership  and boat space is excessive ; really !!!!!!! I think you only have to look at the average weekly attendance at most sailing clubs to see it aint working at the moment. Carry on and Bewl will be the first of many 
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I wholeheartedly agree it's a shame, and I sincerely hope that a new club rises from the ashes. But to blame the landlord for all the problems is to bury head in sand I think.
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