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craiggo ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Apr 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1810 |
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It used to be great when a week after the event you'd be sent a little envelope of thumbnail proofs to select from. I used to buy a pic or two at each Nationals as long as they made me look half decent ;)
The start of the digital revolution when they started putting up a slideshow each evening was great but it also coincided with a lot of the pics being available on-line and thats when people started ripping them off. I do remember wanting to buy a pic at the 49er inlands only to forget before I left. The irony was that 5yrs later I spotted the pic on a sailing club website,sent an email to the club who put me in touch with the photographer who just emailed me the pics for free! |
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Dougaldog ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 05 Nov 10 Location: hamble Online Status: Offline Posts: 356 |
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Another sad loss to the sport. The probability is that the bigger events, or one with a major builder as the sponsor, will have a photographer on hand, smaller Championships will end up relying on the amateur snappers. That is not to be disparaging about the keen amateur, for they can get some super shots with the help of the digital camera, where they can take hundreds of shots in the hope of a couple of good ones.
But that ignores the fact that it is the really good photographers that produce those really great eye grabbing pictures. The likes of Tom (Gruitt), Demelza Mitchell, Steve Arkley and others bring something else - they really do make it an art form. The proof of the pudding - I was sad to see that the D-Zeros lacked a 'proper' photographer - yet there were plenty of pictures taken. Yet the chances are that a number of top notch camera artists would have been around that weekend.The D-Zeros had a great event - but all that great sailing failed to produce an iconic picture. There were no lack of great opportunities for stunning pictures - had Fotoboat been on hand we'd have been enjoying thos great shots now. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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but it was part of 'SailFest' - surely SailFest had a pro photographer lined up?
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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That's half the trouble, the easier photography became, the more difficult it was to make a living at, why should a skilled operator waste a weekend spivving (the term we in the trade used for taking photographs on approval) which is the standard now. Gone are the days where photographers were commissioned and then their prints re-ordered, and I doubt mags or web sites pay much for publication rights even, there is such a glut of happy snappy amateurs.
That and the bloody paparazzi giving the press side of the business such a bad name, it used to be an honourable profession, back in the days of plate cameras, one shot, an exposure meter and range finder if you were lucky.
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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The pros also used to have the advantage of knowing that the more shots you took, the better the chance of getting the good ones. They used to come off press boats with shopping bags full of rolls of exposed films, where the keen amateurs would hold fire hoping for one perfect shot and normally miss it. That advantage has gone now.
BTW the above is not meant to downplay the very real skill of the good pros, just to highlight how technology has eroded one of their advantages.
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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I fear we're living in an age where mediocrity drives out the great. If you only eat at MacMorons you don't know how good a really great burger can be, but because MacMorons takes the lions share of the market there's no place for a shop selling really great burgers.
I'm a guilty party of course, at a club open meeting I'll take 700 or so photos using the auto settings on the camera (not knowing any better), and pick 5 for Yachts and Yachting which I'd like to think are competent amateur quality. They don't compare to what a pro will achieve, but at web page size really only the pros can tell the difference. What they won't do, unless uncommonly lucky, is blow up to a A3 or A2 print on the office wall. Its interesting that if I look at the walls of my house I have nothing from before late 80s, which was the time when I was first earning enough to be able to justify a luxury like professional photos, some nice shots from the early 2000s where digital photography became available to pros so costs came down a bit, and nothing from after 2005 for which I only have amateur shots of my boats that don't blow up well. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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It's an interesting analogy - I was recently in a new Burger joint called 'Onion'... it was great, I especially liked my wife's choice, which contained an amazing home prep relish with goats cheese. I didn't even feel guilty about loading up the kids with 'junk food', after all how can organically sourced chicken strips be wrong?
Our dear Chancellor has even forgone his Fillet Mignon, or at least had it minced and served between a batch in a poetic wrapper to be 'at one with people'. It made a perfect twitter juxtaposition when the other trending topic was #chickeninmyface from the Channel 4 series filmed in Clapham. So there are people who are prepared to pay for a decent burger.... even if the plebs couldn't tell the difference. That I guess, is a 'market', or at least a Gourmet Burger Kitchen which has been around as long as I've been earning my own money for them. When it comes to photography I guess most of us are quite plebish in reality.... after all I'd rather take a happy snap for free, than pay someone for this: ![]() Edited by turnturtle - 03 Jun 15 at 12:47pm |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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Do you have to keep posting that. You are ruining my lunch. First Facebook, now this.... Sometimes you just go too far Mr B
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Everything I say is my opinion, honest
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tgruitt ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Dec 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2479 |
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Interesting thread. Also nice to see my name mentioned a few times, thanks! Fotoboat closed earlier this year, it was due to a culmination of things including a drop in sales partly caused by any old person with a camera turning up and taking pics at an event. I was offered the helm but for health reasons and having my own photography business I felt I couldn't continue with Fotoboat.
Trouble is though when I first started out aged about 14 the 'pros' were not keen on me being at 'their' events taking photos, I could hear what they were saying about me and it wasn't very nice. I can sort of see where they were coming from though, I won't name names. I hope I've proved myself to them, and once I've finished my radio treatment I will be back proving myself again! I was going to list all of the ways left to make money photographically but I don't think I will else you jammy gets will beat me all to it!! ![]() |
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Woodburner ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Mar 15 Location: Folkestone Kent Online Status: Offline Posts: 332 |
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I just did but lost the entire post..
Edited by Woodburner - 03 Jun 15 at 2:27pm |
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