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    Posted: 19 May 15 at 11:36am
Main reasons why I wanted to have most, if not all of the mainsheet in front of me;
- Lots of mainsheet to grab in a gybe
- No need for a gybing strop (that always seems just out of reach...)
- Can use part of the system for quick-response downwind sheeting
- Reduced aft mainsheet dragging in the water in light winds
I did try a forward-bridle arrangement. The trouble is, there are very few anchor points. I tried some dyneema loops under the forward toe-strap anchor plates, but the bridle fell onto the top of the centreboard and got jammed. I did think about using soft plastic tubes to hold the bridle up, but I then realised that the setup wouldn't have enough grunt. So, I came up with the hybrid arrangement as shown in the photos, with the "bridle" block attached to the ratchet block. Personally, I wouldn't bother with adjustable rear-bridle bobbles (too much of a distraction) - just have some fixed a few inches in from the gunwhale to prevent transom-corner snags. In a single-hander, you probably don't want to be sheeting further inboard than that in any case.
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For some reason, the idea of one at the back and 2 at the front seems wrong. Just seems in my head that there will be sheeting problems going from large purchase by hand to single later, especially when sheeting out. However, I have nothing to back this up, so please let us know how it goes!
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The gearing/purchase will be different as the forward position looks to be only about 1/3 of the way along the boom, so it might well be a way of getting a "perfect" purchase ratio. It does look odd, but I'm having trouble thinking of a reason why it might be wrong, assuming that the owner likes sheeting off the floor, and it does give a grab for gybing etc.

With transom snags, wouldn't it be worth trying shock cord as per 49er?

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Well I tried it today but with one of the front pulleys a little too far forward and I struggled with the sheet loads and dry rope, but it's much better at the back, I haven't gotten round to a rear traveller yet, thought I'd better try one thing at a time and this first attempt proved a bit of a disaster.

Laser man put me well and truly back in my box, unlike last week once he got clear, there was no catching, it wasn't as smooth sheeting in or out so reaction time to gusts was poor.

I'm also not getting it to run by the lee anywhere near what i can do with the EPS and I'm used to besting him if we were side by side on a downwind leg, not so today and in theory with only one string there should be less weight pulling the rig back when the wind dropped, it was a bit on and right off with occasional rain. I tried slack rig, tight upright, kicker & no kicker but I couldn't get the flow to reverse the way the Laser was and he wasn't fully out boom forward either, it was just a slow inexorable pull away.

After the race I rigged a strop round the tower so the 2nd pulley is now in line with the double block I've got on the boom, it feels a bit better so I'll give it a go next time, not having two bits of rope at the stern is a definite bonus.






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What exactly is your mainsheet arrangement now? Could you post a picture here?
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What do you want the mainsheet to do as it's primary function?

Mainly move the boom in and out or apply leech tension so that you can play the twist?

There are as many different systems and there are techniques. They probably all work little or much, the trick surely is to match the system with the requirement. 

I know of some big mains, Osprey for one that only use a split tail sheet off the boom end with no additional blocks for advantage 1:1. Crews may be big but helms often no bigger than you Grf. 

Sometimes it is said that too heavy a mainsheet load is simply not enough kicker.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote craiggo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 May 15 at 6:47pm
Originally posted by Do Different

I know of some big mains, Osprey for one that only use a split tail sheet off the boom end with no additional blocks for advantage 1:1.

That's exactly the setup on my Grad which is probably a similar sized mainsail to the solution. If GRf/woodburner wants centre main he'll need more purchase though.

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Originally posted by Solo4652

What exactly is your mainsheet arrangement now? Could you post a picture here?
Well it was the standard block at the rear on a centrally mounted bridle which drops over the stern quarter, one block on the boom at the back one in the middle and a centrally mounted ratchet block on the aluminium tower the early boats had which has since been replaced by a glass fibre device.

So what I have tried, a double block centrally mounted at the boom the existing arrangement at the rear but just a single rope to the now unnecessary bridle mounted block, then a second floor mounted block suspended just infant of the ratchet block on a tight bridle.

 This I originally mounted on the floor right at the front of the cockpit just behind the kicker so the looped return followed the path of the kicker, it looked neat it was out of the way, but because there was no significant return path from the boom block it reduced the purchase hence there being too high sheet loads during the race and the rope is old and like windsurfing booms hopeless to grip when dry, I shall remember to wet it through next time.


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Originally posted by Woodburner



Originally posted by Solo4652

What exactly is your mainsheet arrangement now? Could you post a picture here?

Well it was the standard block at the rear on a centrally mounted bridle which drops over the stern quarter, one block on the boom at the back one in the middle and a centrally mounted ratchet block on the aluminium tower the early boats had which has since been replaced by a glass fibre device.
So what I have tried, a double block centrally mounted at the boom the existing arrangement at the rear but just a single rope to the now unnecessary bridle mounted block, then a second floor mounted block suspended just infant of the ratchet block on a tight bridle.
 This I originally mounted on the floor right at the front of the cockpit just behind the kicker so the looped return followed the path of the kicker, it looked neat it was out of the way, but because there was no significant return path from the boom block it reduced the purchase hence there being too high sheet loads during the race and the rope is old and like windsurfing booms hopeless to grip when dry, I shall remember to wet it through next time.



Try as I might, I can't visualise this at all. A photo would really help if that's possible.
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Originally posted by Woodburner

 

After the race I rigged a strop round the tower so the 2nd pulley is now in line with the double block I've got on the boom, it feels a bit better so I'll give it a go next time, not having two bits of rope at the stern is a definite bonus.





Well that worked - not.
I'd forgotten I'd done this two weeks ago, went to use it yesterday and got such a caning, every tack the strop jammed meaning it wouldn't sheet out, so it was tack-capsize, tack-capsize and so forth, total nightmare, tried something else, going on the sea tonight, thinking of making it just centre sheeted, can't remember the negatives of this over rear sheeted, wasn't rear sheeting just a fad from a few years back? Solo's do OK with centre sheeting, what are the downsides? I've always hated rope at the back, I hate rope period but when it's behind you and every now and again gets you from behind...
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