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    Posted: 15 May 15 at 8:30pm
What like these?
The original and still the best! Wink


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Ended up 3rd overall out of 60+ boats in our Spring Series. Beaten by two very well sailed Laser Radials. For now, I've settled on the mainsheet system I described in my earlier posts on page 23. If you have a block on the rear bridle, stopper knots/bobbles about 5" inboard from the gunwhales really help to prevent the sheet catching round the transom on gybes. I'm not sailing tomorrow (bruised ribs from last week), so I'm boat-park bimbling instead. I'll take some photos of my set up and post them here.

Anybody got a good-condition Hyde sail they want to sell?

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Photos of mainsheet setup, and control line routing.



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So how are the sheet loads in a bit of breeze? Tbh I don't mind a heavier feel, it feels more direct, but next wednesday is going to be breezy, and my Laser nemesis will be keen to put me back into my box, not to mention Streaker man who's also normally ahead once the spreadsheet sums are done.

We had the demo boat on the sea on saturday, but I didn't get to try it myself, my pal with the Phantom took it out and seems pretty happy with the way it went (except the cb coming up which can be easily fixed with packing strips). His comments were it felt small obviously compared to the Phantom but that transmitted into what seemed quicker acceleration offwind, sadly that boat is now winging its way to Sheffield, so I'll have to swing mine down to Hythe at some point when Trev is next unavailable.

I think I'm going to do something similar to that set up, what's it like without rear sheeting has anyone tried that I wonder, I'm so done with rear sheeting with that bloody Icon giving me constant grief.
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Well, it does have an element of rear sheeting, with the 1:1 rear bridle. In F3-4, this setup gives sufficient grunt to sheet fairly easily. It's important to ensure the block above the ratchet is able to twist freely. My first try was with a shackle between the two, but the ratchet block wasn't able to orientate itself properly and there was a lot of friction. I did try a system without any rear sheeting at all (copied from my Solo), but I was feeling the strain in anything above F3.

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What is the advantage of the alternative mainsheet setup? I'm guessing the loads are about the same as the normal setup. Could you not just have a double block on the rear bridle, like this
http://www.solutionclass.org/img/traveller.jpg but with the stoppers.

Woodburner- as the tower is quite far forward the loads are too high without some element of rear sheeting.

I shortened my control lines and made them continuous to get rid of a lot of the excess rope.

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That is what I used. But adjustable, with stoppers at edge of deck
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The advantages of Solo4652's layout is that you need slightly less mainsheet and also have less weight of rope pulling the aft end of the boom into the centreline on lightwind runs.

If it were me I would ditch the becket though, and tie the block which he has secured to the becket, to a bridle across the middle of the boat.

Is this enough to justify moving to this layout? Im not convinced, I think I'd stay with the arrangement shown by MPT.

The fully centre mainsheet system could work but you need more grunt than you'd get in the Solo because the control is so much closer to the fwd end of the boom. This can be solved by going for a similar system to boats like RS700s, in which you have two bridles across the boat level with the mainsheet tower. The mainsheet is secured to the front bridle then passes up through the fwd block on the boom, then back down through a block on the second bridle, back up to the aft block on the boom, then down to the main ratchet block. If you need even more grunt, the mainsheet can be tied off through the eye of the fwd boom block and down to a block on the fwd bridle. This gives you approx. 5:1





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Personally Mr Woodburner I think you'd learn most by coming down the lake on Sunday's and sailing against another Solution who is going quite well at the moment too :) can't beat a boat for boat comparison/fight rather than against a laser.

I would come down Wednesday this week but my suspension broke and not fixed till Thursday :(
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Originally posted by Gettingbackintoit

Personally Mr Woodburner I think you'd learn most by coming down the lake on Sunday's and sailing against another Solution who is going quite well at the moment too :) can't beat a boat for boat comparison/fight rather than against a laser. 

I would come down Wednesday this week but my suspension broke and not fixed till Thursday :(

It's difficult, I've got commitments to my crew and tbh sailing single handed is a secondary alternative to the craic you get sailing with a mate. Plus I'm supposed to be Commodore at Hythe and as such must support the summer series, not to mention the fact that sailing on the sea does have its moments.

Then there's a psychological factor, why would I want to come there, destroy the confidence of a young guy doing so well by thrashing him all over the lake? So close to the nationals and all, where we have such high hopes for him.  Wink

Originally posted by MPT

What is the advantage of the alternative mainsheet setup? I'm guessing the loads are about the same as the normal setup. Could you not just have a double block on the rear bridle, like this
http://www.solutionclass.org/img/traveller.jpg but with the stoppers.

Woodburner- as the tower is quite far forward the loads are too high without some element of rear sheeting.

I shortened my control lines and made them continuous to get rid of a lot of the excess rope.
Personally I think it's because 1:1 at the back reduces the sheeting in time and rope yardage, plus there's less to tangle round the stern quarter, one bit is less likely to catch than two. Anyway that's why I want to do it. I also want adjustable stopper balls that can be controlled from the front so the sheeting angle can be adjusted on the fly.
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