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Woodburner 
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 Topic: Knee friendly Single Handers?Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 3:55pm |
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Me either, pretty much the only real problem with the Asbo..
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guesswho
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Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 4:03pm |
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The water drains out through two self bailers just aft of the middle buoyancy tank and through the flaps on the transom real quick. Don't forget its not double bottomed. You will have to wait and see the final shape of Hadron2.
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PeterG
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Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 4:19pm |
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If you stand too far back in a stationary Contender water will come in the transom drains, but as soon as you start trimming the boat and moving it goes straight out - I'd imagine the same applies here.
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Peter
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boatshed
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Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 4:36pm |
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Not quite. A Contender is double bottomed and all of the water will drain out after a capsize. Well, it did on mine. The trouble with single bottom boats is if you are heavy and standing on the plate with the boat is on it's side it will scoop up a huge amount of water when it is rightend. I'm guessing here but I think it would easy to get it deeper than ankle deep in the Hadron. Saying that I like the look of the boat. An unstayed carbon mast, a double bottom and a 60kg hull would be nice. A more stable RS300  |
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JimC
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Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 4:37pm |
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Every design is a compromise. Having no self draining capability means a lower floor and lets the boat float lower when on its side.
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The Moo
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Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 9:15pm |
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I seem to recall our old 505 didn't take much water on after a capsize and it wasn't self draining but had open transom ports which were very effective. A very comfortable boat too.
With a bit of design integrity, I am sure you can have the best of both worlds. |
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PeterG
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Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 9:20pm |
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Agreed that the Contender is double bottomed, and that it is fully self draining after a capsize, but that in no way contradicts what I said - that if you stand in the back of a stationary Contender water will flow in via the transom drains (that may depend on how much you weigh, but I'm not a heavyweight or a Phantom sailor)! Not large amounts, but then the photo we are discussing doesn't show large amounts, I'll bet if the guy in the photo moved forward and powered up most, or all of that water would drain fairly quickly.
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Do Different
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Posted: 25 Apr 15 at 10:25am |
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I wouldn't get too hung up on self drainers vs non self drainers. There have been good and bad examples of both, e.g. anyone remember those Wayfarer SDs? They could be exhausting; came up with a load of water on the false floor and the free surface water effect rolled them straight back over before you had a chance to get sorted.
That central tank on the Hadron is a neat arrangement with several benefits and not too many downsides I can see. Even crossing the boat shouldn't be too difficult, with some boom room I guess it's a stride rather than a shuffle. One plus I can see vs RS300, I remember sliding back through down to the low side when (not if) I missed my footing or was too slow, at least it will arrest progress the windward side of halfway
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zippyRN
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Posted: 25 Apr 15 at 11:27am |
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while is pretty much what JimC says above
I think the single bottom and transom flaps model gets a bad press fro mthe 50s / 60s designs like that , that really did scoop up significant amounts of water on righting and take an age to drain - especially stuff like a 'bag only' ent ... |
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Woodburner
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Posted: 25 Apr 15 at 7:46pm |
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Nope, the Alto is a recent design but it sucks in that department, self balers are an anachronism in this day and age, sorry they're a deal breaker for me, one of the reasons I won't go near a Streaker that and its dagger, it was also the baler that contributed to my decision to give the Zero a drive by as well much as I loved it and it's manners, that thing would've eventually caused problems for me.
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