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    Posted: 23 Apr 15 at 2:43pm
I've looked at that hadron a couple of times when it appeared un accompanied by anybody who knew anything about it at the Dinghy show, my first impression was it seemed huge for a sit down boat, doesn't look much smaller than it's Merlin cousin.
It also seemed not to tick the weight necessary not to put my back or shoulder out trolleying it about, that said, the rest of it looked very businesslike and I could clearly see it's not going be be a kneeler.
I wonder how much lighter it could be made if other materials than wood were used. The merlin those boys use is certainly light enough, so it must be feasible.
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Woodburner, sorry you were unable to find someone to talk to you about the Hadron at the Dinghy Show. You perhaps have a point about the weight - there is a lot of dinghy there and she weighs about 20kg more than a Phantom. But that is the plywood version: we are now planning to produce a version using the latest composite techniques, with a target weight which will be 10-15kg lighter than a Phantom. Now that will help your shoulder problem! We will have two pre-production boats sailing by the end of the summer, with a probable public launch at the 2016 Dinghy Show.. We plan to develop a safe, user-friendly, elegant, singlehander that is a delight to sail and own. The target customer will NOT be the young athlete (though I'm sure they will enjoy sailing a Hadron). Comments on this Forum thread will help us during the development process, so thanks to all who have made constructive comments and suggestions.
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Well you've broken the first rule, don't tell anyone, get your handicap set by the wooden one, use copious muppets on lakes and be sure to get returns in, then launch light carbon everything version and enjoy mass sales for a couple of years of perfect banditry - it's the only way to be sure.

Good Luck and put me down for a test sail of one.. Wink
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I can assure you that the owner of this wooden one is NOT a muppet, woodburner. The boat I own weighs in at 78 kgs and is easily moved around onshore and for launching. It is after all a single hander and can be used entirely single handed. No shore assistance required. Although the boat looks large , being sailed it isnt. This is not a cynical attempt to develop a "bandit" but to design and build a boat that we can enjoy without being an "uber" athlete well into our later years.
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Originally posted by Keith_Callaghan

Comments on this Forum thread will help us during the development process,

bit of advice... this post not withstanding .... whatever is advised, do the exact opposite.   LOL

Good luck with the Hadron- a connoisseur choice; not blighted by mainstream sh*t fights over swing tests, handicaps and rigs sizes with any luck.  
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Lightning. I've sold many boats because of shallow cockpit depth doing my knees in, or weight doing my back. 6 years on, the Lightning is treating me well.
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Woodburner, you are such a cynic.
I design dinghies and larger (offshore capable) yachts because I think it's the best occupation in the universe. Seeing a boat taking shape on my computer screen, then manifesting itself in the boatyard and then sailing her gives me an unmatched thrill. I think we have something special in the Hadron, and we have some very talented people onside who agree with me. I have a tiny fraction of the resources of the multi-million pound companies that now dominate the dinghy mass market. We have near zero advertising budget but I hope that the Hadron will sell on its own merits. You are certainly very welcome to have a sail in the new boat once it's available - send me your email address and I will keep you updated. The PY is not a big deal - we are not aiming to be the fastest thing on the water - but my guess is that she will be somewhat quicker than a Finn, and MUCH easier to handle - on and off the water.
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Originally posted by Keith_Callaghan

Woodburner, you are such a cynic.

Now now, there is no need to be nice.  It'll just encourage him.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Unless you sail an illusion or a 2.4m it will always pay to hike harder in order to gain righting moment. So hiking dinghies will always be bad for your knees, unless you are made to perch and not hike ala SB3.
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