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    Posted: 24 Apr 15 at 9:07am
Craiggo, I can only agree with you. One cannot avoid the fact that a hiking dinghy requires that the crew hike. I am no sports physiotherapist but as a dinghy designer since 1965 and a top dinghy crew in Merlin Rockets (in my youth!) I can develop an ergonomic 'bent knee' sitting out position which is as comfortable and convenient as it can be. That is one reason why Hadron has a good depth in the hull. Knowledgeable sources suggest that the 'straight leg' sitting out position, as required in the Laser, for example, puts less stress on the knees, but it kills the lower back instead.
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And therein lies the beauty of the Hadron. Mine has a centre thwart kindly fitted by Simon Hipkin. There is no need to kneel on the floor now, but sit astride. Last night was a perfect example, v. light winds, longish down wind leg, NO kneeling. This morning, minimal aches and pains and I am very race rusty. Well done Keith and Simon, I am looking forward to the new version.
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I find its the kneeling in the bottom on long down wind legs in lightish airs that kills my knees in the Phantom, rather than the sitting out. If the shape of the Hadron avoids this, its extra width for the same rig size ought to make upwind a bit easier too and as the boom looks a bit higher to get under it sounds like it could be my perfect next boat.
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Unless you sail an illusion or a 2.4m it will always pay to hike harder in order to gain righting moment. So hiking dinghies will always be bad for your knees, unless you are made to perch and not hike ala SB3.
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Originally posted by Keith_Callaghan

Woodburner, you are such a cynic.

Now now, there is no need to be nice.  It'll just encourage him.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Woodburner, you are such a cynic.
I design dinghies and larger (offshore capable) yachts because I think it's the best occupation in the universe. Seeing a boat taking shape on my computer screen, then manifesting itself in the boatyard and then sailing her gives me an unmatched thrill. I think we have something special in the Hadron, and we have some very talented people onside who agree with me. I have a tiny fraction of the resources of the multi-million pound companies that now dominate the dinghy mass market. We have near zero advertising budget but I hope that the Hadron will sell on its own merits. You are certainly very welcome to have a sail in the new boat once it's available - send me your email address and I will keep you updated. The PY is not a big deal - we are not aiming to be the fastest thing on the water - but my guess is that she will be somewhat quicker than a Finn, and MUCH easier to handle - on and off the water.
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Lightning. I've sold many boats because of shallow cockpit depth doing my knees in, or weight doing my back. 6 years on, the Lightning is treating me well.
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Originally posted by Keith_Callaghan

Comments on this Forum thread will help us during the development process,

bit of advice... this post not withstanding .... whatever is advised, do the exact opposite.   LOL

Good luck with the Hadron- a connoisseur choice; not blighted by mainstream sh*t fights over swing tests, handicaps and rigs sizes with any luck.  
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I can assure you that the owner of this wooden one is NOT a muppet, woodburner. The boat I own weighs in at 78 kgs and is easily moved around onshore and for launching. It is after all a single hander and can be used entirely single handed. No shore assistance required. Although the boat looks large , being sailed it isnt. This is not a cynical attempt to develop a "bandit" but to design and build a boat that we can enjoy without being an "uber" athlete well into our later years.
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