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    Posted: 13 Apr 15 at 10:29am

Commercial involvement  ?

Obviously a desperately major and really serious  problem for some even when signed with ‘real names’  ....  unless you pay for the right is that ?  Well let’s clear the air and make things as transparent as possible.    Just let’s all do it guys !

I will not post any Blaze event comments in the future on this site.  I’ve spoken to the CA today and despite their reticence they will be recruiting a prominent owner to champion the class here on their behalf from amongst the paid up membership.  They will undergo a full medical to check on their depth of skin status first plus be equipped with a full Chobham armoured wetsuit before entering the ‘bear pit’ that this forum sometimes imitates.    I am very happy indeed to return to occasional ‘lurker’ status and only to rarely post when correcting  the most blatant inaccuracies  promulgated here with regard to boat specifications or Cirrus !

Icon was mentioned a few posts back...   This is now a Rondar project, and they are making an absolutely smashing job of their new version.   They will be marketing the boat.  They DO pay for banner advertising of course and I know when the time is right will naturally promote the boat with real vigour both in N.America ... and here in UK/Europe.   We/they have NOT canvassed for opinion on any aspect of the revised specification on this or any other social media platform this time round.  In fact the exact opposite ....

Anyway now I won’t be posting anything that could be remotely  construed as relating to MY commercial involvement  ... I suppose I am still free to comment on other issues or boats where I don’t have any commercial  involvement, including several  that I’ve recently sailed ? 

Now is that OK ?   Good to clear the air occasionally I find.  Wink

Mike L.




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Originally posted by blaze720

I’ve spoken to the CA today and despite their reticence they will be recruiting a prominent owner to champion the class here on their behalf from amongst the paid up membership. 

great - we can all look forward to some enlightening and engaging conversation with her.  

Perhaps you could ask her to disguise the promotional objectives through normal dialogue- maybe about the nasty shift last Sunday in her second race, how the hip replacement affected her sailing, or simply 'pimping' the best bacon sandwich she happened to chow down pre-briefing at an open meeting at some obscure pond in the middle of nowhere.  

I know many whoever's left may say 'pot kettle black', but since when was this forum a channel to be seen to champion ones own class- beyond the normal levels of banter and rivalry one might expect in a virtual boat park?  I have to be honest, and having been involved in the fanboy clusterf**k in the past, this 'sell by forum' (which used to be so readily called out in days gone by) has been one of the minor reasons why this forum has lost so much relevance.  That and the rise of more direct social interactions like Facebook etc.  
 
Small blessings though - compared to the dinghy section of SA (a US RS Aero dealer having a pissing contest his Aussie counterpart),  this at least has some life in it, even if it needs Tick's defibrillator once in a while..   




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I know many whoever's left may say 'pot kettle black', but since when was this forum a channel to be seen to champion ones own class- beyond the normal levels of banter and rivalry one might expect in a virtual boat park?

LOL .... Absolutely classic response Mr TT ... and beyond any appreciation of irony whatsoever ! 
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Originally posted by blaze720

I know many whoever's left may say 'pot kettle black', but since when was this forum a channel to be seen to champion ones own class- beyond the normal levels of banter and rivalry one might expect in a virtual boat park?

LOL .... Absolutely classic response Mr TT ... and beyond any appreciation of irony whatsoever ! 

and taken in isolation I guess you could make more of that sentence than it says, but hey, whatever, nice deflection.  

The fact that you decided to pick up on this aspect, rather than say, the considered use of a generic she, or the actual suggested content 'she' might offer to add something to the forum before pimping on it like a paid troll, says an awful lot about where your (and by association) the Blaze class's priorities lie with respect to this community.  

Anyway, that's close-hauled enough to 'forum police' for my liking, so over to you and whichever sucker you can get to fan-boy the scaffolding and faded topper logos of your one design fleet.  
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Mike

Just ignore this and post what you like. 

There have been lots of comments from people with commercial or quasi commercial interests on this forum and as long as its clear there is some connection its no problem. 

 Everyone regularly on here knows your connection to the blaze and the icon and its good having someone knowledgeable who will speak up when people ask a question. 

 Just put Cirrus Raceboats in your tag line and say what you will. If Mark J thinks someone is out of order from this perspective then I am sure he would have a word. Its not up to any of us to 'police' whats on here and much of your input is well appreciated.
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Posts: 596 		Post Options Post Options   Quote rich96 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 15 at 6:26pm
Agreed

The changes and evolution of the Blaze, Halo and Fire (and the Icon) are interesting to lots of us - keep us all updated please
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Agree with the above. I find the enthusiasm of Mike's post quite infectious. To be fair a number of his posts that have promoted Cirrus boats encourage us to try the competition to make the comparison.
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I'm also on Mike's side on this one. I have found his posts both informative and balanced with no aggressive promoting of his boats, by which I mean he hasn't resorted to slating the opposition. We all know who he is and what he builds so let's treat Mike in the professional manner in which he deserves to be treated.
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Posts: 3048 		Post Options Post Options   Quote jeffers Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Apr 15 at 9:26am
I'll be honest. We all know Mike is commercial and he has a commercial interest in Blaze and Icon. Personally I have no problem with him posting and promoting these classes on the forum. I am sure if Mark or Mags had an issue with it they would speak to him.

If you want to see blatant commercial posting then looking at a certain choccy bar related thread on another sailing forum is the place to go with 50% of the most recent posts coming from those with a commercial interest in the class.....
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Keep posting, Mike.
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