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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I ran some race training yesterday in a mixture of boats where PY made no difference at all - the first boat over the startline was the winner...
Obviously not a great format for racing in reality, but it did make me think that we are all rather stuck in our ways, thinking about methods to tweak the handicapping here and there, imagining that that will be the great new thing to get more poeple racing. In reality, even the majority of people who race now would hardly notice the difference, or care that much. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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As I said before, turnout at our place in the handicap fleet was greater when no one even took the times, never mind applied the handicap.... Not sure I'd want to go backwards, but food for thought
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zippyRN ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 06 Online Status: Offline Posts: 437 |
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the problem is when you get into the realms of approved official calaenders etc the slippery slope starts and that is what both Jimand I were cautioning against ... a lot of other sports are far more heavily regulated as a norm any repair or alteration means re-measurement ? combined with inspection of boat and personal equipment every time you compete... ? (combined with mandated personal equipment ) exactly how much more of a touch from the RYA do you want for adult 'none elite' racing ? than the current situation
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Well, to be fair you did say
Just one example: currently all the main handicap events are in the depths of winter, to avoid clashing with class events. The implication being that classes see these events as secondary. But in our brave new world of a classless society why should handicap events get the graveyard slot? Some individual clubs have tried to get summer handicaps going, but with no history, a crowded calendar and lots of voices it is very hard to get these off the ground. Which is where our national organising body, be that the RYA or who ever, should step up. |
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JimC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6662 |
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Aren't there plenty of handicap events in the summer with things like Fed week and so on? If they haven't proved to gain the same status as some of the winter events: what's that phrase about "can't buck the market"?
But I'd hate the RYA to "step up" and organise events, doubtless at the bigger clubs only, that were somehow official and competed with other club's events. A medium sized club like mine can happily put on half a dozen open events in the summer that serve 20-50 competitors (80 was a bit of a struggle!), but why would you want to travel to a handicap event with 20-50 entries if your own club racing has handicap racing for 20-50 entries every week? |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Strikes me as JimC. You are mostly talking about an adult sector who are most likely to vote with their feet and do what they like doing with people they like rather than fetch up at certain nominated events with no history.
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Why would you hate the idea of RYA coordinating events (which doubtless would still have local organisation) but not mind a class organising one?
And a weeks annual leave to sail around Chi harbour? Not likely. But apart from masochistic appeal, wouldn't the BM be nicer in warmer weather? Would it have added kudos if it was somehow sanctioned by the sports governing body? At a class level this happens anyway, because it is what CA's do. But handicap racing is demonstrably as popular yet has no united body to represent it. But I'm not just talking about organising handicap racing. In the same way the ISAF approve some classes for Worlds status, why shouldn't tje RYA do the same for Nationals. That doesn't mean they have to randomly select some classes in the hope of them becoming popular. On the contrary, like the ISAF with Worlds, have some predefined criteria that any class can potentially achieve, such as minimum number of entries. Nearly every sport has a British Open (sanctioned by the sports governing body) and corresponding champion. Who is dinghy sailings Open champion? |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Who is boxing's open champion? Who is cycling's?
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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AFAIK most cycling national bodies have only about 6 disciplines that have "national" status (plus sub classes for age, gender etc) and will take action against anyone who try to create other events with that title. The UCI has a rule that prevents those with a pro license from competing in unaffiliated events; it's often ignored but has caused a major stink in the USA recently since pros were told they couldn't do popular CX events. So cycling may not have one open champion, but it does have major restrictions about what competitors and organisers can do. And each discipline normally has just one Open male and one Open female champ. It's a big contrast to sailing; it's a bit like cycling having national titles for various different brands and models, including some models dating back 80 years. I've been on the "rebel" side in sailing and cycling when running or taking part in "unofficial" national titles, but IMHO sailing could do well to come up with some reasonably objective criteria for "National" (with a capital N) classes and recognise them as such. It wouldn't stop other classes having small-n nationals, but it could give the scene some clarity which could help noobs. After all, the sport was doing a lot better back in the days when specific classes were encouraged at certain levels, although whether that was a cause or effect is obviously a vexed question that I will leave to others. BTW completely agree with your post at the top of the page.
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gordon1277 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 24 Mar 10 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 665 |
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Hi Peaky
Summer tends to be salt events. Glyn Charles pursuit, Nore Race, East Coast Piers Race. Stokes Bay Solent pursuit (sadly no longer sailed) Hill Head triangulation To name a few and I am sure various regions have all sorts of events but do to a fuller program dont get the publicity or entries that the BM gets in the winter. |
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