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    Posted: 19 Mar 15 at 10:05am
Originally posted by turnturtle

I guess that unless the club SI expressly says otherwise, then this would/should apply?

Not even then:
RRS 87 CHANGES TO CLASS RULES
The sailing instructions may change a class rule only when the class
rules permit the change, or when written permission of the class
association for the change is displayed on the official notice board.


Mind you the practical effect may be less than you'd think, since in most cases I think what is effectively going on that the club is scoring by helm and combining entries when the helm is sailing multiple boats, so it makes little difference whether the helm is swapping between RS100 small rig and RS100 big rig, or RS100 small rig and RS400.


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Class Rules for the RS100:

  1. C.1.2  (iv) A sailor who swaps rigs during a regatta, or series of races or regattas, shall rank as a new starter / entry for that regatta or series. 


I guess that unless the club SI expressly says otherwise, then this would/should apply?
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Fair point...  I guess we have the rotomoulded options when considering durability, or vinyl ester etc....  sorry for the off-topic tangent, but thanks for the responses, interesting info.
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Trouble is I'm not sure what you'd gain. A sensibly handled dinghy isn't going to get the sort of abuse a board has to put up with, so a carbon only layup will be strong enough and lighter.
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forgive my ignorance, but couldn't you just lay one over the other?  therefore buying separate sheets?
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the market for mixed fibre weaves is small and the specialist weaving quite expensive, so availability of the fabric is low and price is high.
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Originally posted by Peaky

How would a dyneema hull compare to glass or carbon?

edit. To answer my own question, better impact resistance, less stiffness. So a combination weave of carbon and dyneema is suggested
here

Bouke's methods are more agricultural, but proves the point...

surprised no one has looked at a carbon/dyneema hybrid for something like Mothing, where impact resistance might be a good shout...



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Originally posted by Null


Originally posted by Bootscooter

I was being purposely cautious Jim, so as not to be called out on unsubstantiated claims
The point is that while these boats may feel revolutionary, they're not really in terms of construction, but perhaps in accessibility for the masses.

Perhaps I'm being a bit over-sensitive, but the "new is good, old is bad" from quite a few posters is beginning to rankle a bit (I expect it from Grumph ). I, and many others don't want a SMOD, don't want a perfectly designed hull, don't want "effortless speed" - I've been there, done that, and now I want to play the way I'm playing. I don't expect others to feel and want the same as me, so why do so many become "overly evangelical" about their choices?

I think you may be missing the point boots, whilst some of the claims of technical advancement maybe marketing waffle in some cases, let's not forget they are fairly revolutionary.  You can buy a brand new boat with full carbon rig, north laminate sails, top quality foils (that would look fairly boutique in any high end class) full hark fit out for under £6k.  So from that perspective they are pretty revolutionary.  They are not aimed at the finn market, hell you could buy 5 zeros for the price of a race ready Finn.  They are pretty cutting edge in their ability to offer a modern equivalent to the laser, which In itself was/is a club racer for the masses.  I like the laser, if either of these boats have even 5% of its success then fair play.  But from an outsiders perspective (my mates so mid to late 30's) you show them laser or even finn sailing they just don't understand it.  They get more switched off and laugh when I tell them how much the Finn is.  My best mte who is massively critical of dinghy sailing at least said my new boat looked cool even if the sport is a bit limp wristed in his opinion.


That's effectively what I've said there Russ - the tech is nothing particularly new, but the price and "sailability" for the ordinary sailor certainly is.
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Strange that boats like Tideways still cost many thousands when decades old. Maybe the market for traditional stuff is actually bigger than for the new and revolutionary? As for the Aero, it seems to me that in many ways, barring the light weight, it is a rather traditional boat, which might explain the too sales figures.
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Originally posted by Bootscooter

I was being purposely cautious Jim, so as not to be called out on unsubstantiated claims
The point is that while these boats may feel revolutionary, they're not really in terms of construction, but perhaps in accessibility for the masses.

Perhaps I'm being a bit over-sensitive, but the "new is good, old is bad" from quite a few posters is beginning to rankle a bit (I expect it from Grumph ). I, and many others don't want a SMOD, don't want a perfectly designed hull, don't want "effortless speed" - I've been there, done that, and now I want to play the way I'm playing. I don't expect others to feel and want the same as me, so why do so many become "overly evangelical" about their choices?

I think you may be missing the point boots, whilst some of the claims of technical advancement maybe marketing waffle in some cases, let's not forget they are fairly revolutionary.  You can buy a brand new boat with full carbon rig, north laminate sails, top quality foils (that would look fairly boutique in any high end class) full hark fit out for under £6k.  So from that perspective they are pretty revolutionary.  They are not aimed at the finn market, hell you could buy 5 zeros for the price of a race ready Finn.  They are pretty cutting edge in their ability to offer a modern equivalent to the laser, which In itself was/is a club racer for the masses.  I like the laser, if either of these boats have even 5% of its success then fair play.  But from an outsiders perspective (my mates so mid to late 30's) you show them laser or even finn sailing they just don't understand it.  They get more switched off and laugh when I tell them how much the Finn is.  My best mte who is massively critical of dinghy sailing at least said my new boat looked cool even if the sport is a bit limp wristed in his opinion.
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