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iiitick ![]() Far too distracted from work ![]() Joined: 04 Jun 14 Location: gb Online Status: Offline Posts: 478 |
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I only have one word for you all. Tasar.
I don't know about about Carbon Fibre but the ship Zaphod Beeblebrooks nicked was black man, so black, so cool.
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Washy71 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 01 Jul 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 56 |
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![]() Of course. There are plenty of lovely boats out there. |
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How would a dyneema hull compare to glass or carbon?
edit. To answer my own question, better impact resistance, less stiffness. So a combination weave of carbon and dyneema is suggested here Edited by Peaky - 14 Mar 15 at 10:29pm |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Why does everything have to evolve? Many of the greatest pleasures in life don't evolve much if at all, like sunsets, swimming, and being with lovers and loved ones. Many popular activities, from playing the piano and chess to running, change little.
And why are those who moved from one single-sailed SMOD singlehanded archimedian monohull dinghy to another single-sailed SMOD singlehanded archimedian monohull dinghy particularly "open minded"? If making such a small change makes one "open minded" then what about the people who went from Lasers to kitefoilers, or from Comets to home-knitted gaff trimarans? If there is any correlation between the type of boat one sails and how open minded one is, I have yet to see it. In fact, some of the slower and more conventional classes seem to be more open-minded, in terms of the general attitude towards changes in wider society, than the fast open-design classes, as far as my own limited experience. Presumably if sailing new craft means that one is open minded, then sailing a foiler must mean that one has a very open mind. But what about those who have sailed the foiling Lasers? Surely the clash between a closed-minded activity (Lasering) and an open-minded activity (foiling) must cause the brain to reverse its polarity....there should be a public health alert. My cycling mates weren't interested in the shorthanded offshore tri or the fast cat or boards. They do find the Laser concept, where everyone from Alaska to Zimbabwe uses the same gear and it doesn't have to be updated all the time, to be a really interesting idea. And that's a true story! Oh, and while middle-aged men may love carbon bikes and electronic shifting, young high tech IT hipsters working at Google and startups at the epicentre of the leading edge in the Silicon Valley are drooling over old steel fixed-gear singlespeed bikes and riding them to gaming conventions where they play old-style cardboard board games to a background of '80s new wave and live coding.... they seem to be perfectly at ease with the idea that some things don't evolve much. Edited by Chris 249 - 15 Mar 15 at 12:25am |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Strikes me that this question, how it has evolved and a lot of others we chew over comes back to a question I posed back in January.
Sport or Competitive Passtime. Sport= Single rig, strict rules and no need to evolve standard equipment for all, too old or frail to compete tough luck get fit or get out. Competitive Passtime= Multiple choices to suit all body types, levels of athleticism and continual evolution of equipment both by manufacturers, design hotshots and garage tinkerers. Of course it is different strokes for different folks and often both for some folks depending how we feel on the day or who we are up against. Lucky really as it ensures a constant churn on here.
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Null ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 May 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 745 |
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I think you may be missing the point boots, whilst some of the claims of technical advancement maybe marketing waffle in some cases, let's not forget they are fairly revolutionary. You can buy a brand new boat with full carbon rig, north laminate sails, top quality foils (that would look fairly boutique in any high end class) full hark fit out for under £6k. So from that perspective they are pretty revolutionary. They are not aimed at the finn market, hell you could buy 5 zeros for the price of a race ready Finn. They are pretty cutting edge in their ability to offer a modern equivalent to the laser, which In itself was/is a club racer for the masses. I like the laser, if either of these boats have even 5% of its success then fair play. But from an outsiders perspective (my mates so mid to late 30's) you show them laser or even finn sailing they just don't understand it. They get more switched off and laugh when I tell them how much the Finn is. My best mte who is massively critical of dinghy sailing at least said my new boat looked cool even if the sport is a bit limp wristed in his opinion.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Strange that boats like Tideways still cost many thousands when decades old. Maybe the market for traditional stuff is actually bigger than for the new and revolutionary? As for the Aero, it seems to me that in many ways, barring the light weight, it is a rather traditional boat, which might explain the too sales figures.
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That's effectively what I've said there Russ - the tech is nothing particularly new, but the price and "sailability" for the ordinary sailor certainly is. |
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Bouke's methods are more agricultural, but proves the point... surprised no one has looked at a carbon/dyneema hybrid for something like Mothing, where impact resistance might be a good shout... Edited by turnturtle - 16 Mar 15 at 12:07pm |
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alstorer ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 02 Aug 07 Location: Cambridge Online Status: Offline Posts: 2899 |
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the market for mixed fibre weaves is small and the specialist weaving quite expensive, so availability of the fabric is low and price is high.
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