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    Posted: 11 Mar 15 at 12:56pm
Originally posted by ex laser

Rules to remember about tt when discussing anything.

1) He only cares about winning the argument, not what the argument is about.

 



Ah yes, TT  winning..........Just like his "Real World", an entirely subjective experience.  Wink



.....as for the topic generally: Different PY, separate entry on the results. There you go, sorted, You should of asked me earlier. Tongue

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Originally posted by SimonW99

1200 for a solo sail, is it made of gold!

nope- made with 'intangible' benefits like running a innovative sail loft staffed with professional sailors who are paid to offer support (and possibly even coaching and training if you ask nicely). Much of this progressive development then transferring into less popular classes and new products- like both the Zero and Aero which uses the same parent company.  So everyone in sailing can benefit if they choose too.

But it's not a price point for everyone, which is why the Solo is a great class model-  it still allows smaller lofts to get involved and offer cheaper alternatives across the value : performance spectrum.  

I doubt there are too many folks would really call Solo sailing 'chequebook sailing', not in comparison to other single handers out there- it seems a well balanced class at every participation level from what I've seen.  

Correct and some of the smaller lofts offer great pricing and excellent service and do make competitive sails so not always a need to spend your £1200 with loft A when Loft B can do you a sail that is just as fast for a lot less (not sure what Mr Morgan charges for a Solo sail these days but they look good and his Streaker sails are doing very well in the early season events).
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Originally posted by SimonW99

1200 for a solo sail, is it made of gold!

nope- made with 'intangible' benefits like running a innovative sail loft staffed with professional sailors who are paid to offer support (and possibly even coaching and training if you ask nicely). Much of this progressive development then transferring into less popular classes and new products- like both the Zero and Aero which uses the same parent company.  So everyone in sailing can benefit if they choose too.

But it's not a price point for everyone, which is why the Solo is a great class model-  it still allows smaller lofts to get involved and offer cheaper alternatives across the value : performance spectrum.  

I doubt there are too many folks would really call Solo sailing 'chequebook sailing', not in comparison to other single handers out there- it seems a well balanced class at every participation level from what I've seen.  
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Originally posted by SimonW99

1200 for a solo sail, is it made of gold!

Once there is a secondhand market the issue disappears. I picked up the other two mast sections for my laser including some old knackered sails for next to nothing. Only used them when it was howling so suited me fine.




Or until people like Rooster and Maldon Sailboats and co decide to start making 'training sails' and 'training spars' but that is another argument completely......
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1200 for a solo sail, is it made of gold!

Once there is a secondhand market the issue disappears. I picked up the other two mast sections for my laser including some old knackered sails for next to nothing. Only used them when it was howling so suited me fine.
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Originally posted by ex laser

Rules to remember about tt when discussing anything.

1) He only cares about winning the argument, not what the argument is about.

2) He has a large disposable income.

3) He does not understand the club ethos and the way most clubs are run.


If you hold these rules in your head when discussing things with tt ( especially rule 1) you can have a lot of fun and you will never never know where the thread well go!

you have no idea about any of that, you can of course perceive what you want from the very limited information you are privy to, but by no means is anything you've posted there a true picture.   Wink

- I can't actually see where there's an argument either.  If asked to 'vote' (yes, clubs vote I 'get' that... votes are important in clubs as they are not oligarchic structures. I have done my share of running aspects of them in the past, and no doubt will again in the future)

Anyway, I would vote to prevent 'rig switching' or 'class swapping' in the same series....  I believe that my current club would score my entries differently between say my Kona, a D-Z or if I borrowed a 300 for a laugh again.  I hope that would be the case anyway.

And for what it's worth.... I won't be buying the Starship Enterprise rig my D-Z either.
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Where's the advantage?  He's DNC'ing from whatever he deems as his primary entry anyway.  

Keep the discards low and it will reduce the frequency of the small percentage of entrants who really are thinking things through that deeply.

As for Solos- someone can buy at £1200 Solo sail from North these days - although you might need a new mast to get the most out of it.  Should that be 'banned' for club racing?
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