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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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You need multiple sails to be properly competitive in most classes anyway, particularly Lasers where 10mins in F6 and your sail is never quite the same. Over say three seasons it makes little difference, might even be cheaper in the long run to have small sails for windy days? |
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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Such a shame that innovation is sometimes seen as a problem, how much fresher and cleaner the air would feel if it could be embraced as an enabling step forward. |
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RS400atC ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 04 Dec 08 Online Status: Offline Posts: 3011 |
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+1. where there's a will, there is a way, even if it includes multi-scoring a series or two. In a club where the official comedy self adjusting PY is followed to the letter, it would be interesting to see what happened if you split classes into big rig/little rig/middle rig and multi-rig. My guess is that most people would win more series if they simply sailed more races. |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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You're right there,I never turn up and I never win anything
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turnturtle ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
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Joe needs to grow up then.... And join the real world. I can't see the problem in sailing in multiple classes (even those with a common hull), but the series entires should be separate. isn't that obvious???😳 Edited by turnturtle - 10 Mar 15 at 8:57pm |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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It's a pretty ancient "innovation". ![]() |
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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If that's the real world you live in then it's lucky some of us have found a different one.
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Do Different ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 12 Location: North Online Status: Offline Posts: 1312 |
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249. Full acknowledgment of your knowledge on sailing history. While others may or may not agree with your interpretation I have no intention to comment.
The innovation I was referring to is more specifically the two new XXros in making lightweight hulls accessible to mainstream sailors that seem to perform happily under a range of rigs and crew weights
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sargesail ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jan 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1459 |
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I'm with TurnTurtle. I'd also say that Average Joe's Envy of Richy Rich kids multiple rigs is likely to be rooted in Richy Rich kids, well, richness, as much as how that manifests itself. Whereas he needs to join a real world in which he recognises value not price.... Now if we were to buy an Aero it would be with all 3 rigs: Why - the clues in the 'we'. A 9 for me. I'd race nothing else, but might sail the 7 in a total blow for fun. A 7 for Clare. A 5 for the kids. Clare would change down to the 5 if that was the difference between racing and not racing. And comply with whatever handicap arrangements were in place. Without fuss. But we're building an extension....so envy it will have to be!
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Chris 249 ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 10 May 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2041 |
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Wouldn't it be reasonable to give those who use multiple rigs a separate handicap to those who just use any one of the individual rigs? The "multi rig" handicap would be faster than the handicap for the biggest rig, because it would account for the fact that small rigs are faster in a big breeze.
For example, a skilled 75kg Laser sailor may be (at a wild guess) 90 seconds faster on the water if they swap from full rig to Radial in winds over 20 knots. If (at another wild guess) you get sustained 20 knots every fifth race in a fairly windy location where you normally do 60 minute races, the "multi rig" Laser yardstick should drop to 1080. So Richie Rich gets to swap to a Radial when he wants, and Joe Poor gets an 18 second advantage in the majority of races when they are both using big rigs. Of course, one can understand the point of view of those who say "don't worry about being fair, make it fun" - as long as everyone gets similar concessions. For example, boats that aren't fun to tack should get right of way. Boats that don't have spinnakers or traps should be allowed to use them without handicap adjustment. People who don't think it's fun to beat all the way to the windward mark should be allowed to cut the race short.....Oh, brave new world, that has such rules in it.
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