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Supernova rakes and in the last couple of years, there have been adjustable lowers to prevent the rig dropping to leeward. Some people swore by it, but as it was usually howling by the time I have much rake on I could never see the benefit.
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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I can see why you'd want to control the mast at gooseneck level and still allow it to bend above that, so being able to tension the lowers makes sense.
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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I can only do anecdotal but I sailed my polyester boat against epoxy and carbon and finished mid twenties. Following year epoxy hull but exactly same rig and I finished tenth with 20 more competitors. I'd say that's fairly good evidence, but I'm not a lawyer. The next year I was ninth in big winds with the same set up. The following year i had upgraded to carbon and was tenth again in big winds. The carbon rig at the time really only allowed lighter sailors to compete, but even then if helms had sought out the needlespar ones they could too. I think now that the carbon rigs have improved more so the comparison may not be so valid.
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This is getting very repetitive and dull.
Lets go cycling instead ..... oh, but hold on he has an aluminium frame and I am on a steel frame, and over there he has carbon and he has faster wheels than me - what do you mean we all get treated the same!!! |
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Rupert ![]() Really should get out more ![]() Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
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Why repetive and dull? For once people weren't dissing a product but talking sensibly. But maybe that gets dull.
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Hold on, global calamity - Clarksons been suspended and there is no Top Gear from Sunday..... what will we do....... Sunday ruined.
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mangoman ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: 09 Jul 09 Location: norfolk Online Status: Offline Posts: 69 |
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The kicker on my Solution makes a horrible noise when tacking; it is the shackle that some of the blocks are on scraping across the thread on the bolt that it moves across. I was going to change the bolt for a smooth one as opposed to one with a thread but haven't got round to it yet. I have had the boat since June last year . I let the rig rake back as I get overpowered, also lifting the board a bit to keep the balance on the helm. Loads of kicker, the downhaul doesn't do a huge amount I have found. I have the lowers set so when the mast is upright and the sail is up, they are just taught, stopping the mast from going forward as kicker increases. As the wind increases I let the lowers off to allow mast bend although of course as you rake it back the lowers slacken off anyway allowing this to happen. I use the flat sail, I also have a full sail but have struggled to get a good shape on it; I am going to keep trying it this year although I have to say I always went quicker with the flat sail than other Solutions using the full sail. As you have found, it is a lovely boat to sail, tacking and gybing easily etc. I have found no need to sit too far forward when hiking; it definitely likes to go low and fast upwind. If you try and point too high with sail pulled in too tight it just stalls out and goes sideways. In light winds though you need to get forward to lift that wide stern up and out. The only bad habit I have encountered is when broad reaching in strong winds, if you let the boat heel a bit too much the rudder gives up and you can screw up into the wind. I asked the designer what to do if this happens and he said let the main out; when I did that it was the only time it chucked me into windward!! Check you have some sort of righting line, they can invert quite quickly and are a bit slippery to stand on. Glad you are enjoying, I look forward to hearing experiences from your learning curve... and yes, what a great looking boat too. ![]() Sometimes I wonder what it would be like with a kite and a trapeze but then that's not the point of it after all. |
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maxibuddah ![]() Really should get out more ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 Mar 09 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1760 |
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Repetitive and dull? I'd say shouting someone down immediately you don't see the point of their posts is. Happens all the time on here. Of course you could have been being ironic, but as with all things on a computer screen it tends to get lost in the translation. For your information (sorry if this dull) is that grf made a comment about a carbon rig (or at least I think he did) and it was countered that you didn't need it. I was backing up this statement. Therefore it could be commented that at the time there wasn't enough difference between them that the playing field was actually equal. Edited by maxibuddah - 10 Mar 15 at 6:23pm |
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The difference between bicycle frame materials is negligible, in fact I would prefer steel to cheap carbon. My fastest segment times on strava are still on my £300 trek I struggled to get near them Even on my £6k high modules aero carbon bike with £1500 wheels. Obviously different 'external' factors come to play. As always cycling analogies are used in sailing but rarely fit. I think this is a great thread, I am guessing Graeme is getting a hell of a lot out of it in terms of his understanding of dinghy rigs. Of course something that is repetitive is the saying "if you don't like it don't post and start a new thread"
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Woodbotherer ![]() Posting king ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 192 |
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I am getting a lot out of this thread Simon is worried that what I'm about to do will destroy not only the Supernova but all hope of total Aero domination
![]() It does nothing that carbon doesn't do better and carbon does lots of things even better still when it comes to interacting with sails and wind.
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