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JohnJack 
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 Topic: Multi-rig racingPosted: 10 Mar 15 at 3:22pm |
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For all of those clubs who allow rig swapping, but use the handicap of the fastest rigs. ie if a sailor chooses to switch to a Radial from the usual Standard Rig on their Laser/Kirby because of conditions, they will still be scored with the Standard handicap.
You do adjust this for your returns to the RYA dont you? |
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gordon
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 2:57pm |
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Could someone who is from a club where this is an issue please do some empirical work to ascertain whether this is a real problem or not.
Simply re-score one or two series in several ways: - using handicap for largest rig used throughout whole series - using handicap for the rig actually sailed on the day What difference does it make to the series results? My suggestion - offer prizes for both versions of the series, but make the series in which boats that stay in one class throughout is the most prestigious. |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 2:45pm |
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I can see your (potential) problem being mirrored at WSC, Jim.
Already one of our Blazes (luckily not one of the quicker ones) has a Fire sail which he switches to on windy days (and gets the PY), while a quite handy sailor is buying an Aero with two rigs. If they don't start winning, no problem - fingers crossed!
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Rupert
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 2:36pm |
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Probably only a problem at one or two clubs and on this forum. I'm pretty sure that having boats where the rig can be swapped isn't going to either save or kill dinghy racing. Its simply fine tuning what happens in handicap racing.
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 2:31pm |
In the case of our club it used to be very unusual for Laser sailors to swap rigs, but its started happening more often, especially since the Rooster rig. It was already a focus of a concern and we were already thinking about whether there should be a policy change, even though our Laser rig swappers are yet to win a handicap series. The arrival of a first Aero at the club, owned by a sailor who has won series in recent seasons has made it desirable to confirm or change our current policy. The debate is complicated because another of our recent handicap series winners is one of those who sails a two hander when he can, and a singlehander (in which he's demonstrably faster) when no crew is available and he must. Edited by JimC - 10 Mar 15 at 2:32pm |
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sargesail
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 2:10pm |
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What's clear to me from this debate is that the paradigm has changed, and it will take a while to settle down. And it will probably be horses for courses - different clubs will adopt different solutions.
Why that should be when the problem currently exists with 100s of 1000s of Lasers worldwide I don't quite understand....but there we go.
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 1:18pm |
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Whilst that's theoretically true, its also clear that people don't think like that. Almost all consumer technical equipment these days seems to be sold on low initial purchase price, high running costs.
Its interesting that, as I noted above, the RS100 ought to be a better candidate for rig swapping, but in practice it didn't seem that much of an issue even though the rigs were not readily distinguishable. I suspect that's because of the headline cost of buying the extra sail. Could be wrong of course... Edited by JimC - 10 Mar 15 at 2:34pm |
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Medway Maniac
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 12:44pm |
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Another point on cost.
In the winter tyre debate, the pros often cite the fact that although there is a greater capital outlay, you are only wearing out one set of tyres at a time, so your summer tyres last longer. You can argue the same way about sails. While using your Radial, you aren't knackering your Standard. All the more relevant when you think that it is precisely on windy days that your Standard gets knackered...
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gordon
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 12:44pm |
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I believe that the Ent, in common with many sensible classes, has class rules for storm sails!
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JimC
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Posted: 10 Mar 15 at 12:35pm |
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I suppose the thing that concerns me about this outbreak of rig swapping is that its happening in what should be economical classes, so its making what should be the cheap end of the sport more expensive.
If a manufacturer announced a top of the range boat that would normally be sold with all three rigs, and clearly marketed as one class, three rig sizes, pick for the weather, then I'd find that a lot less disturbing. It would also be a lot less confusing for clubs. The other thing about rig swapping is its best done on a boat with a kite, since on a single sail boat if you can possibly hang on to the big rig until he windward mark you want to because you gain so much on the downhill. Maybe, he thinks to himself, if the RS100 stops selling it should be relaunched. Give it little folding winglets like some of the continental canoe classes have, say about a foot extra beam which would be enough to drive upwind a bit better, and play a bit with kite size so its not such a one trick pony. Play with the fitout a bit so its more of a premium option. Think about the rig sizes a bit so that they work better across the range, and bingo, a rig for every season. Call it I dunno, RS150 or something. |
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