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    Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 10:27pm
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The squads tend to be where keeping up with the Jones's is at its worst. Yes, it happens at club and open meeting type stuff too, but it isn't gospel, as Jack Sparrow's kid found in the oppies, but just one way of doing things.No wonder the Tera has caught on.

I'm afraid to burst your bubble Rupert, but the Tera's have a squad system too.....


I know, and there is a limit to how many changes can be made to the boat. Yes, there will soon be old boats, but compared to the oppy, it is very one design.
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You should fund it for him, if he loves the sport and is working hard at school then it's surely a good thing?  However I would always make it clear that the boat is not his to sell when he feels like it.  I'm all for kids working and understanding the meaning of money, but during a-levels it's important for him to unwind, but also work hard!  By working hard that doesn't mean every available minute in tesco to try and fund a sailing habit 
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What happened to the money from the sale of the Topper and associated paraphernalia? If they spent it, then tough, they need to get a job, if they kept it in a jar to reinvest at a later date, sorted!
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sidestep slightly.
little darling No.1 who fronted up to me in spring 2012 and said 'I'm done with Toppers & squads' had some good boat blasting last year and is now making noises about a Blaze(Bleuchspit), Given that he is doing A levels and skint do I say 'get a job son' or do I fund it on the basis of a healthy activity?
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possibly the latter based on the fact that every other sport seems to have a structure of some sort. Sailing didn't.

Years ago sailing was something you did on your local puddle and occasionally the local star would disappear for a week or two to an "open" meeting, only to return and continue to thrash everyone. How people got into doing the olympics was anyones guess (obviously it did happen but I never knew anyone that knew how this happened).

Now there is a clear defined path that gives any parent an understanding about how little Billy can progress to the top. Obviously in most cases this doesn't happen, but there is a path. When I was young as previously said, it was a mystery. Seemed to be who you knew. 

Perhaps, despite all the berating of the squad system, it has actually empowered the masses rather than denigrating them?
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As do the aero 5s.  Blatant cashing inn n parental ambition, or simply parents wanting structured sailing for their youngsters?  
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Originally posted by Rupert

The squads tend to be where keeping up with the Jones's is at its worst. Yes, it happens at club and open meeting type stuff too, but it isn't gospel, as Jack Sparrow's kid found in the oppies, but just one way of doing things.

No wonder the Tera has caught on.

I'm afraid to burst your bubble Rupert, but the Tera's have a squad system too.....
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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Does he sail now? What do you think?


Answer 1) No, he got fed up with being teased and told off about his old boat that he couldn't stand it, and gave up sailing as soon as he could

Answer 2) Yes, by sailing an old boat and doing well, he was able to survive the transition from bank of mum and dad to the real world of sailing whatever you can afford.
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

Option 1)
And people keep disagreeing with me that squaddie stuff like this puts 'em off. I'm unsurprised but sorry to hear it but thank you for sharing

I'm beginning to think I should persuade the RYA to give me an over-paid job as a champion of club sailing so they can at least give a nod to one of their (ignored) obligations. Two problems: (1) i would n't half annoy them (2) I'd spend all weekend driving around the country as opposed to sailing



Well the teasing - that's what kids do.  Nasty weren't we?  

Did Sparrow junior stop any other sports when he got teased?  I moved Rugby Club as a 7 year old in similar circumstances, and with coaches who had a similarly unhealthy approach.

But is that the System or the individual?  It doesn't quite chime with how Racing Coaches are taught nowadays.
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The squads tend to be where keeping up with the Jones's is at its worst. Yes, it happens at club and open meeting type stuff too, but it isn't gospel, as Jack Sparrow's kid found in the oppies, but just one way of doing things.

No wonder the Tera has caught on.
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but are squads pushed to youngun's as the only way to progress your sailing career (for want of a better phrase)? You'll never get anywhere if you're not a the squad??? Thank god I never had never heard of them when I was that age, I was too busy telling my dad he was getting it wrong under the threat of a bash round the back of my ear with a mirror tiller extension
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