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    Posted: 06 Mar 15 at 11:21am
We are having a bit of a debate in our club about what to do with people who race single handers, but change rigs based on the conditions. With the Laser rig swapping didn't appear to happen that often, so we kind of ignored it. However with the introduction of new classes with multiple rigs (Aero, D-Zero) the issue is getting greater awareness, especially as some people are declaring that they will use different size rigs depending on the conditions.

Just wondering what other clubs are thinking/doing on this? 

Would be good if there was some common consensus on the fair/right way to deal with this in a simple manner that club volunteers can handle.
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Choose the fastest handicap the hull has and apply that, we have Lasers in our series who are bandits on the sea at the best of times but when they fling up their radial rig in conditions they might get flattened..

So if they're going to rig switch then they get the fastest handicap, if they elect to stick to one rig then they get that handicap, but if they then choose to switch to another rig,  they get another set of results in the series and become competitors with each other.


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At our club all series must be raced in the same rig but you can change boats in that if you are borrowing a club boat it doesn't matter which boat you use as long as the rig is the same.
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either use the fastest rig used handicap for all races (simple administration solution, fairest solution to sailors)

or use the correct handicap for all rigs and races as one entry (potential bandit country, admin headache)

or let them use any rig but add them as separate entries (admin faff, not great for the sailor)


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We just allow rig and boat switching as much as you like within a series, it is the helm that all results are attached to regardless of boat. No-one has every complained about it so I dont see your problem.
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We decided many years ago to allow free rig-swapping with application of the appropriate PY for the rig of the day for Lasers, just like we allow free use of Rooster or alternative Laser sails, UNTIL the problem arises that the boats concerned were winning unduly in the perception of club members.  

So far,  that has yet to happen, and on our tidal waters the Lasers are on the back foot against e.g. Blazes and Wayfarers.

We've just sleep-walked into applying the same philosophy to Blaze sailors who switch between standard and Fire sails (the sail-switching has brought nothing, however, esp when switching to the wrong one for the day!), so I guess we'll do the same with any Aeros or Zeros that turn up.

In my experience, the perceived advantage of such things as rig-switching, carbon masts, and weight reduction, although real, usually exceeds in the eyes of competitors the real advantage, so I think our policy is on the safe side.
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So what handicap do you bandits apply to the Fire? Same as the one Mike used to rob the chocolates in the Round Sheppy? 1071 wasn't it,? That's nearly as bad as going round in a V3000 off 1007. LOL

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Originally posted by Woodbotherer

So what handicap do you bandits apply to the Fire?
1056, and that's as far as I'll follow you off-topic.
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We now have 22 aero's on order with, I believe , 15 already arrived as of this lunchtime, so we have had an ongoing dialogue with the race committee and have made the current club racing rules clearer, but a continuation of what was in place.

In short, you can sail what you want for an individual race and you get handicapped accordingly. However, if you want a series result, you have to always enter with the lowest handicap of the rigs you will use. Its not perfect, but it means that the big guy changing down in a blow doesn't gain an advantage as he still has to sail to his 'big rig' handicap. You can enter with a smaller rig, but you end up with two series entries.

Its simple and doesn't give the RO a headache.... Smile

 
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The simplest thing, I think, is to count each rig entry as a new entry in the series.
If you start in the aero 7 and then stick a 9 rig on for race 5, you'd have to redo the results for all previous races if you take the stand of applying the lowest handicap. And even then, if you only use a rig in its optimum condition you will of course beat the handicap which is based on a wide variety of conditions. So perhaps something even lower than the fastest handicap shouldbe used?
Finally, it's not rig switching - it's class switching. Just like sailing a 420 when it's windy and a Firely when it's light. He with the biggest fleet (wallet) will win.
I am happy for someone to sail a different class every week, especially if that's what it takes to keep them involved. But I don't see why they should expect that to count as a single entry to the disadvantage of everyone else.
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